Curious about these foods.. Kens fish, HBH, and New Era

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I feed nls, kens, and new era food to my fish.

I bought the 2mm sinking growth pellets for my frontosa tank, not to power grow them, but because it was the highest protein kens sinking pellet he had, and fronts need a high protein diet(for what I understand). They seem to love it and I haven't ever noticed any issues with water quality.

I bought the new era as a good around all for my tanks with medium sized fish. They seem to like it pretty well. I like it because there isn't a lot of 'meals' in the ingredients. It stinks when its in the can, but it doesn't really affect water quality or make the water stink...

I feed nls between all tanks and I have never had an issue with a fish not wanting to eat it. It is a good all rounded food.

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RD. said:
For many years carbon (generally the lower quality carbon, purchased in bulk form) was believed to be a cause of HLLE in marine fish. Eventually that same line of thinking spilled over into freshwater keepers, and HITH. While the former may have some merit with regards to marine fish, I personally am not convinced that it has any connection to HITH in freshwater fish - especially if one isn't using low cost carbon. The study mentioned in the following link was performed by the curator of the Toledo Zoo. http://www.coralmagazine-us.com/content/activated-carbon-hlle-smoking-gun-found FYI - the premium pellet used in that study was NLS. And to answer your previous question, I have experimented with a lot of foods over the years, and still do, but NLS has been my main staple for over a decade and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Not to disagree/ argue... but imo it has nothing to do w/ the carbon dust.. but that carbon removes both good and bad things from the water... stack onto that a poor diet.. and HLLE becomes a "problem" I have personally seen the effects of removing carbon and adding better foods to fishes diets almost entirely erase HLLE in fish most people would euthanize ( I purchases a purple tang years ago w/ such issues for almost nothing because they where going to euthanize it, I recovered it and sold it back to them about 1yr later when it outgrew my tank at the time.). One or the other done shows improvement/lack of HLLE worsening but together I've seen almost 100% recovery. The problem w/ being just a hobbyist I don't write this stuff down or take picture ect.. so its imo possible to do w/ carbon in the system.. it will just absorb some of the vits/mins your adding for the fish to recover. If your fish don't have HLLE and are fed a quality diet ect not an issue w/ carbon... if your battling HLLE then removal of carbon is imo ideal to increase healing. It's always about the set-up and how its run... there is more then one way to skin a cat.
 
HLLE is a marine health issue, that has never been proven to be in any way the same as (or even closely associated with) HITH, which is a freshwater health issue. Which is exactly why most people on both sides of the hobby fail to completely understand either or.

With regards to HITH in freshwater species, for anyone interested you might want to read the following recent discussion. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?548799-HITH-lATERAL-LINE-DISEASE-IN-CICHLA


HTH
 
I like it because there isn't a lot of 'meals' in the ingredients. It stinks when its in the can, but it doesn't really affect water quality or make the water stink...
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It stinks in the container due to New Era's high moisture content, approx twice the amount compared to most dry fish foods on the market. That is exactly why most fish find it quite palatable. As far as having less meals, that's nothing more than a label illusion. All of their proteins that are animal based are in a dry meal/powder form - almost every formula they make begins with fish meal. Squid powder, shrimp powder - same thing as a dry meal. All animal based raw ingredients are processed into a dry powder form prior to being ran through an extruder and made into a pellet or flake.
 
RD. said:
It stinks in the container due to New Era's high moisture content, approx twice the amount compared to most dry fish foods on the market. That is exactly why most fish find it quite palatable. As far as having less meals, that's nothing more than a label illusion. All of their proteins that are animal based are in a dry meal/powder form - almost every formula they make begins with fish meal. Squid powder, shrimp powder - same thing as a dry meal. All animal based raw ingredients are processed into a dry powder form prior to being ran through an extruder and made into a pellet or flake.
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RD beat me to it. As far as meals go this is spot on. With that in mind not all meals are of the same quality or quantity in a given food. There are many people that I think have a misunderstanding that meal in a food is a bad word. Its not. It it wholly dependant on the quality of that given meal and how high the percentage of that quality meal in the make up of the food.

Fillers are what to be avoided or low quality meals/proteins. Like brewers yeast, middling, wheat, corn. If I remember correctly? Of course RD and others here know much more then I do I'm sure.

Just curious RD. Is the added moisture in the new era a bad thing? Why do they makr it that way? Just for attracting fish appetite?

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RD. said:
With regards to New Era, and their high moisture content, high ash content, etc - I commented on all of this in the following past discussion.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?526563-New-Era-fish-pellets-thoughts

HTH
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Good read. After looking at it and seeing the high ash content along with the unsure about what poison they picked as an unlisted preservative. I think I will steer clear.

So.. what would be the best balanced diet in NLS that would give both quality protein and plant matter. I'm keeping some predator fish like parachromis and other more plant based eaters like Vieja. As well as A. Labatus, festae and A. Stalsbergi.... I'm not trying to rapidly grow fish. I want normal nice easy healthy growth. Growth and most things fish look like are genetic. Food is a little of that. But I want to feef for health.

I've got fish 2 inches to 4-6 inches and a couple 8 inches. I'm assuming 1mm for the small guys. 2mm for the medium and 3mm for the bigger guys

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Does the Discus formula contain high levels of garlic? I just bought a bunch of Discus NLS on sale for half price and it seems to stink considerably more than the normal stuff.
 
I've got fish 2 inches to 4-6 inches and a couple 8 inches. I'm assuming 1mm for the small guys. 2mm for the medium and 3mm for the bigger guys
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That should work. I prefer to feed the 4.5mm floating pellets to my larger fish, but that's just me.


Not that I am aware of Dan, but I no longer have a hand in the food game so some things may have changed since I left. Do the lids have a lot # on them?
 
RD. said:
That should work. I prefer to feed the 4.5mm floating pellets to my larger fish, but that's just me.


Not that I am aware of Dan, but I no longer have a hand in the food game so some things may have changed since I left. Do the lids have a lot # on them?
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Rd, what's the largest sinking size 3mm? I've got some even bigger fish in the 10" and over size that prefer sinking pellets but I haven't found any larger then 3mm

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