Dangers of Releasing Captive Fishes

[X24]

i never thought of it that way, and i wouldn't had if mjmc hadn't said anything.

Is there anything that could happen if you kept say ONLY 3 fish from the same specific location, and no other fish are in this tank, and then later on you release these 3 fish in the same location you got them from? i don't think this could harm anything, besides the actual fish's hunting skills....but please bring up something that will make this post invalid.

 

[mjmc]

I don't see why you have to argue that point. The point of the post is to inform people. If you disagree, then go ahead and dump your fish. You won't earn my respect for it, but you don't need it.

I argue that point because I truly want to know if there are any documented cases. I have learned quite a bit from these discussions already. I was planning on having fish from a wide variety of places, but due to some postings, have changed it to all fish from the same exact point (to potentially be released there later). I don't want to make a decision based on heresay and a few people's opinions (who I know nothing about). I try to base my decisions on facts.

By the way, how's the permit process going for you? Are you still planning on selling natives?

 

[IITUFFTOBEATII]

i never thought of it that way, and i wouldn't had if mjmc hadn't said anything.

Is there anything that could happen if you kept say ONLY 3 fish from the same specific location, and no other fish are in this tank, and then later on you release these 3 fish in the same location you got them from? i don't think this could harm anything, besides the actual fish's hunting skills....but please bring up something that will make this post invalid.

Once you remove the animal from the environment, (the assumption is that this is done legally), and keep it in your tank it becomes illegal to reintroduce it to the water body, (this is in every state I beleive). The exceptions are made for government agencies and require a permit.

SOOOOOO even if the case were ideal as you present it and there is no risk of physical harm to the fish or the aquatic environment it is still illegal

 

[Polypterus]

That's great. Now bring something relevant.

All of the diseases you mention have absolutely zero to do with keeping a native tank and releasing the same fish you kept for a while in the same exact spot he was captured in. Do you read before your fingers spew forth such vomitous? How can you possibly post that as a response to my post? Are you kidding me? No one is deceived. I asked specifically for evidence of disease spread from a native tank (where everything in the tank was native from the same spot).


VHS-"presumably arriving with frozen fish shipments from Europe" (http://www.ncrac.org/NR/rdonlyres/3CBECF1E-2AE0-4661-9C08-29A0A15DE403/26267/Whirling2.pdf)

Whirling disease- ?Because whirling disease originated in Europe? (http://www.whirling-disease.org/research_resistanttrout.htm)

SVC-origin unknown, but ?SVC has previously been reported in western and eastern Europe? (http://govdocs.aquake.org/cgi/reprint/2003/521/5210050.pdf)


LMBV-origin unknown-Could this possibly be your phantom private aquaria disease! Perhaps you could say that this was the result of exactly what I intend to do. You have no proof or evidence to back up anything else you say regarding my queries, what makes this any different? (http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/fisheries/afm/2006/3x07_25sayers.htm)




I'll give you the scenario again, as apparently you have either forgotten or are dodging. I catch a minnow and keep it for six months with other natives caught from the same location. My daughter and I identify it, watch it grow, eat and learn a lot about it in general. Then I let it go exactly where I caught it to try and catch something different. What could ?LMBV, VHS, Whirling disease and SVC" possibly have to do with this scenario? What? Show me empirical proof! Examples of diseases imported from European goldfish, ballast-transported diseases and diseases resulting from moving fish from one body of water to another are completely irrelevant. Focus! Quit dodging the topic. If you have no proof, simply say so! I read your posts, but hear ?The sky is falling! The sky is falling!?

Maybe with sandtiger gone now, these posts will not be censored. Opposing viewpoints and intelligent discussion are a good thing. I have changed my mind on some issues based on some of the info I?ve got from these posts. Good riddance. Take your fascism elsewhere.

I'm pretty much done arguing with you as it is really pointless. if you have not got it by now you never will so there is zero point in continueing.

 

[mjmc]

We have established this already that this hypothetical situation would be illegal. I originally thought it was not, based on information from ODNR, but have found out it is indeed. What I want to find is documented sources of disease outbreak from the scenario I provided. I have not set up this tank yet, just researching, which is how I found this website.

 

[ewurm]

I argue that point because I truly want to know if there are any documented cases. I have learned quite a bit from these discussions already. I was planning on having fish from a wide variety of places, but due to some postings, have changed it to all fish from the same exact point (to potentially be released there later). I don't want to make a decision based on heresay and a few people's opinions (who I know nothing about). I try to base my decisions on facts.

By the way, how's the permit process going for you? Are you still planning on selling natives?

I haven't applied for a permit. I use to have one, but I haven't had time to do any collecting, so no point in buying a permit.

 

[mjmc]

I'm pretty much done arguing with you as it is really pointless. if you have not got it by now you never will so there is zero point in continueing.

For all reading this post, this is what it has boiled down to--NO PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ask for empirical proof. I challenge anyone to produce such proof. No one has. No one.

For those of you who have an independent mind and make your own decisions, please do so. Polypterus is one who questions nothing, never thinks for herself, and will never make much of a difference. Poly, please, learn to think for yourself. Do not accept a tenet simply because a "learned" man told you, or you read it from a book. You seem like a fairly intelligent person, but there were plenty of intelligent people who believed Gallileo was wrong. You really need to evaluate why you believe some of the things you do. I'm not saying everything you've learned is false, but to blindly accept teachings without ever questioning them with an independent mind is contrary to what science is about.

I came here looking for intelligent conversation and information. I have found some of each, but also much name calling and supposed facts that cannot be backed up. Thanks for all who have offered advice. I believe this matter is settled.

 

[X24]

Once you remove the animal from the environment, (the assumption is that this is done legally), and keep it in your tank it becomes illegal to reintroduce it to the water body, (this is in every state I beleive). The exceptions are made for government agencies and require a permit.

SOOOOOO even if the case were ideal as you present it and there is no risk of physical harm to the fish or the aquatic environment it is still illegal

i know its illegal, and i'd never do it, but i really don't see any problem that could arise from it....but i'm sure somebody would mistake where they got the fish from and just throw it in some random thing of water and screw up the enviroment.

 

[drewish]

I believe this matter is settled.

It was settled a long time ago, and I believe you were found in the wrong...

 

[X24]

but how was he found wrong on this current subject. if you release it in the same exact spot, and the fish weren't exposed to any other fish, i don't see how it would screw anything up at all.

all people are doing is saying that mjmc is wrong, when really i don't see how he could be wrong in this matter.

we are NOT arguing over how taking fish from one source and putting them in another is wrong and CAN hurt the enviroment. that is easily seen.