Datnoids, are they all wild caught?
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Bogwoodbruce;1000086; said:
yes, this is the time of the year for IT's about 1". alot of the thai farms here also are breeding large amounts of IT's, i've been walking around the fsih market and seen at least four to five shops with stocks with shoals of them; good looking ones and cheap okay prices too considered in Thailand.
Lok Tiger Fish;1000327; said:
I guess since ST are illegal to export this moment, they are focusing on IT's an CT's and mixed breeds instead.
obtw; have you guys ever seen an IT with a wide band on one side and a double band on the other? very new type of breed.
From everything I have ever known, Dats were not being breeding anywhere but the wild, then you tell me they are in fish farms, pretty successfully. ( I have heard rumors of this before, but no comfirmation)
Now you say they are cross-breeding? I have never heard of this being accomplished either (even in the wild)
It seems like the IT you discriscribed is just a fluke, or just 1 in a 1,000 chance, but your saying that they are actually breeding indos to specificly have one larger bar, and on the other side have a double band?
Is there even one more person that can confirm any of this????
I am not saying anyone is lieing, I have just always heard the complete opposite about every single statment that is being made now.
Now you say they are cross-breeding? I have never heard of this being accomplished either (even in the wild)
It seems like the IT you discriscribed is just a fluke, or just 1 in a 1,000 chance, but your saying that they are actually breeding indos to specificly have one larger bar, and on the other side have a double band?
Is there even one more person that can confirm any of this????
I am not saying anyone is lieing, I have just always heard the complete opposite about every single statment that is being made now.
TCZeli;1000695; said:
the thing is that i have just seen quite alot of them in at least two shops selling 1" to 2" indos with one wide bar and the other side with double bars, which was a surprise but nontheless, fish farms have successfully bred indos but still survival rate is still low but i can assure you one thing, the original Thai Siamese wide bar tiger is confirmed extinct already for the past 30 years already ( confirmed by a Thai fisheries dept friend but the wide bars seen today are actually cambodian descendants, which are also running out as the rate of survival in captivity breeding is only around 10% today.
therefore in the next twenty to thirty years or so, indos will also be gone and then finally maybe NGTs and the thin bars in the north of Thailand; when all these countries develop. just some facts, but for the findings of a 4kg Thai ST, it is believed to be the last as it hit national news headlines and there is an archive on it in Thailand but from then, no one found anymore as people dived the lake to find more of them.
so believe it or not, i want people who love these fishes to know about their past and current status, which it would be a pain one day when these fishes cannot be seen ever again; i would still want my grandchildren when they turn teenagers and have a love for fish to be able to see buy them and have it as a friend just like how i did in the past. i am already thinking whether when my fish die from old age, will i ever find another.
I hope it is true that they are breeding them, even somewhat. If they are breeding at only 10% success rate then eventually that % will grow.
I understand that since you saw a bunch of these "big bar-double banded" indos that you assume they were being breed specificaly for that look. Can you confirm that is the case? Or are you just hoping/assuming? It seems that since the breeding success rate is only around 10%, that trying for certain patterns is way off.
And I thank you for your info, I did not know that Wide bars (outside of Cambodia) were considered extinct, that sucks. Let me ask you this. Are there any deffinite differences between the "extinct" wide bar and the CT, as far as looks?
I understand that since you saw a bunch of these "big bar-double banded" indos that you assume they were being breed specificaly for that look. Can you confirm that is the case? Or are you just hoping/assuming? It seems that since the breeding success rate is only around 10%, that trying for certain patterns is way off.
And I thank you for your info, I did not know that Wide bars (outside of Cambodia) were considered extinct, that sucks. Let me ask you this. Are there any deffinite differences between the "extinct" wide bar and the CT, as far as looks?
TCZeli;1000753; said:
Of the 12 1-2 incher "Indo Dats" I got from rkc772 in June, (Infinite Aquatics: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=212) 4-5 have the "big bar-double banded" look -three bands on one side and 4 on the other, one has three bands on both, and the remainder are have four bands on both sides or are still unstable.
If the group you got the fish from received them from a breeder that could get this big-bar double band look, i owuld assume all of yours would have been this way or atleast more then 4-5 of the group.
I think this look is just on type on style that happens to come along, I do not think there is any evidence of breeding dats from certain patterns, I am not even sure there is any evidence of dats being bred at all.
If they are breeding in farms, and it is as LOK puts it......around 10% success rate, then I doubt they would have started with breeding strands and styles. That wouldnt be there goal, there goal would to be just to get as many as possible.
with that being said, I wish I had one of those dats
I think this look is just on type on style that happens to come along, I do not think there is any evidence of breeding dats from certain patterns, I am not even sure there is any evidence of dats being bred at all.
If they are breeding in farms, and it is as LOK puts it......around 10% success rate, then I doubt they would have started with breeding strands and styles. That wouldnt be there goal, there goal would to be just to get as many as possible.
with that being said, I wish I had one of those dats
There just in it to make a profit.TCZeli;1001461; said:If the group you got the fish from received them from a breeder that could get this big-bar double band look, i owuld assume all of yours would have been this way or atleast more then 4-5 of the group.
I think this look is just on type on style that happens to come along, I do not think there is any evidence of breeding dats from certain patterns, I am not even sure there is any evidence of dats being bred at all.
If they are breeding in farms, and it is as LOK puts it......around 10% success rate, then I doubt they would have started with breeding strands and styles. That wouldnt be there goal, there goal would to be just to get as many as possible.
with that being said, I wish I had one of those dats
