Designing the Ultimate Filtration System

[AW7020]

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138686

Thanks John for that reference to the sulfur denitrator

 

[johnptc]

I'm another newbie doing the research too, so this is perfect! I've been on this trail too. Planning an indoor pond as a retirement project in several years. I'd like it to be for fancy goldfish. Seen the Bakki in action at Keirin Koi in Allentown, PA. Certainly seems very effective--they have their prize koi in the 10 foot deep pool with the B-shower. What about the lack of lighting to the fish? Goldfish decolor without light I understand. How to keep the green water clear enough, but not so clear that they turn white. Any ideas?

run a uv sterilizer

 

[cvermeulen]

run a uv sterilizer

LOL. I think he was inquiring about the 'green water' nitrate removal school of thought John. a UV sterilizer might present a problem there

 

[johnptc]

LOL. I think he was inquiring about the 'green water' nitrate removal school of thought John. a UV sterilizer might present a problem there

well i guess green water is a refugium mixed with fish

 

[mgkot1]

Hello

I am a new member but not a new reader.

When, one day, I buy a new house I would very much like to build some very big tanks.

Sadly my wife did not allow me to turn the pool into a 'lake' yet.

I do however have a 4,000 liter system in my house. It consists of 14 tanks and two 4 foot sumps.

The sumps are fed via gravity into a section with floating filterwool and oyster shells. The falling water highly airates the wool for maximum aerobic bacteria. The second sump has very slow moving water enter also with filterwool filtration. The other section in my sump consist of an non aerated zeolite substrate that is about 15cm deep. On top of this I grow Mangroves, duckweed and java moss.

I currently keep mostly africans including Synodontis and anything from lakes Malawi and Tangyanika.

Thanks for letting me join.

Michiel

 

[johnptc]

Hello

I am a new member but not a new reader.

When, one day, I buy a new house I would very much like to build some very big tanks.

Sadly my wife did not allow me to turn the pool into a 'lake' yet.

I do however have a 4,000 liter system in my house. It consists of 14 tanks and two 4 foot sumps.

The sumps are fed via gravity into a section with floating filterwool and oyster shells. The falling water highly airates the wool for maximum aerobic bacteria. The second sump has very slow moving water enter also with filterwool filtration. The other section in my sump consist of an non aerated zeolite substrate that is about 15cm deep. On top of this I grow Mangroves, duckweed and java moss.

I currently keep mostly africans including Synodontis and anything from lakes Malawi and Tangyanika.

Thanks for letting me join.

Michiel

pics ???

welcome to mfk

 

[oregonian]

this is a very interesting thread, i'm posting just so i can subscribe to read more when i have time

 

[GarrettGilstad]

I understand your ideas and it all sounds very interesting, but you are forgetting one primary factor. Lakes, streams, ponds, and other natural systems aren't closed systems. They are getting continual water changes at all times due to the water cycle. Now, I know what you are saying, "Isn't the water cycle just a filtration system that uses the same water over and over again?" Well, yes, but we cannot use filtration methods such as the Earths water cycle due to the nature of the system. The Earths "closed system" is much older than any filtration system that you or I could imagine or create and is perfectly balanced due to the animals and plants that are involved. Because of this, there is no way to mimic it or even get close to mimicking such a perfect system in consideration to the aquarium hobby.

 

[johnptc]

I understand your ideas and it all sounds very interesting, but you are forgetting one primary factor. Lakes, streams, ponds, and other natural systems aren't closed systems. They are getting continual water changes at all times due to the water cycle. Now, I know what you are saying, "Isn't the water cycle just a filtration system that uses the same water over and over again?" Well, yes, but we cannot use filtration methods such as the Earths water cycle due to the nature of the system. The Earths "closed system" is much older than any filtration system that you or I could imagine or create and is perfectly balanced due to the animals and plants that are involved. Because of this, there is no way to mimic it or even get close to mimicking such a perfect system in consideration to the aquarium hobby.

why not once the nitrates are gone you either need to add or subtract minerals and trace elements

whats missing ???




ps welcome to mfk !!





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[captain.cerezo]

if you had say 10 x 100gals all sharing filtration I'm assuming you could have 1 tank with heavy aquatic plants and the rest planted and there would be no need for reeds. all plants consume nitrates and nitrites as food as well as eat other toxins not, those reeds are just area effective.

also id much rather have a ton of useful aquatic plants and a smaller sump than a huge sump that leeches resources from a aquatic plant farm.