Different appearance of Leopordi p13

[fugupuff]

P14 look nothing like marbled maybe you mean pearl?

but as i said if a female births 8 pups she can have 3 of those grades in them... wich is BS imo.... a leo is a leo to me.... only difference is BD... to have a grading system on natural differences for money is BS and sad... now the asian SP rays yes they are worth more money but to charge per amount of spots is kinda sad and funny

no, i said marble, what i mean is that the beauty of a fish is sometimes based on the price tag itself. if leos were like cichlids, and marble motoros were only found in timbuckto, they'd be the holy grail as well too.

charging more for a nicer fish in the same batch, is like selling a nicer discus for more, or a better looking pit bull, or a cleaner diamond. the more "desirable", the more money.

in brazil, these fish are just pests, no matter how many spots they have. all this ray this and ray that is all market driven, and that's what makes the hobby what it is.

 

[royalray]

I believe that the different type of leo do exist if some one study into their genetic. like discus, we can't say, brown disucs is a brown discus, right? but how come it exist in everywhere clear definition of red alanquer, Curippera... etc. very family will have sub family, and each sub family agian will have different strain.

is not a matter of price for the different type, but just food for thought, it could be possible different strain of leo do exist.

i bet the 20-30 spot of leo will not give birth to a Black Diamond.....

 

[Nic]

I believe that the different type of leo do exist if some one study into their genetic. like discus, we can't say, brown disucs is a brown discus, that's it? but how come it exist in everywhere clear definition of red alanquer, Curippera... etc.

is not a matter of price for the different type, but just food for thought, it could be possible different strain of leo do exist.

i bet the 20-30 spot of leo will not give birth to a Black Diamond.....

i said this but the other options are possible... and with this grading system will jack the prices up even higher.... pdr is pdr some have lots of spots and some dont.. doesnt make them less attractive to me...

 

[T1KARMANN]

black diamond and normal Leo are different

but all the others like thousand island eclipse are just fancy names that have been added to Leos with more or different spot patterns to kick up the price

they are all still leo or still just p14 why do we need to add fancy names to make something sound better than it is MONEY

 

[royalray]

from certain point of view, you may be right. it will definitely being taken as advantage to jark up the price, but i think this is goign to happen anyway in any of the hobby fish.

but my point is they do exist different strain from certain area. like human, black hair brown eye also have few different type which genetically is different.

Pearl ray for example, pearl ray from Jabuti which is golden line and fineline type and the pearl fom Itaituba completely look different. and automatically the people will grade them according to ones preference.

nothing against anything, just my opinion to differentiate the different strain that do exist.

 

[Nic]

black diamond and normal Leo are different

but all the others like thousand island eclipse are just fancy names that have been added to Leos with more or different spot patterns to kick up the price

they are all still leo or still just p14 why do we need to add fancy names to make something sound better than it is MONEY

exactly eclipse (happens as adults) and i believe happens to most leopoldi but its worth extra $$$

thousand island add some spots and a grand to the price.... so that exactly what a new grading system would entale more money for a PDR....

 

[StefanW]

but all the others like thousand island eclipse are just fancy names that have been added to Leos with more or different spot patterns to kick up the price

A Pot. leopoldi collectet from Belo Monte looks different than one from Altamira or the Rio Iriri. One from Sao Felix do Rio Xingu or more upwards the Xingu, like the Mato Grosso area, even looks totally different!! They all MAY be Pot. leopldi, but have a different appearance!


If they are all the same, why are we for example talking about:

• Geophagus altifrons 'Xingu'
• Geophagus altifrons 'Rio Negro'
• Geophagus altifrons 'Tocantins'
• Geophagus altifrons 'Araguaia'
• Geophagus altifrons 'Trombetas'
• Geophagus altifrons 'Curuà'
• Geophagus altifrons 'Guamà'
• Geophagus altifrons 'Maicuru'
• and so on.........

For sure not out of financial reasons and that's why I have choosen Geophaugs and not Symphysodon like Jeffrey and his brown discus
They are all out of the same species, Geophagus altifrons, just like all Pot. leopoldi or all human beeings are out of the species H. sapiens, either if they are chinese, europeans or africans, but we have found different terms for all of them!
Why should it be illlegitimate to do the same for Pot. leopoldi, which already has been done for Geophagus altifrons or Symphysodon aequifasciatus and why should there only be financial reasons

I would also prefer a termination depending on the tributary or the next bigger city to the place they are caught, like Pot. leopoldi 'Rio Iriri', 'Altamira', 'Sao Felix', 'Mato Grosso' or what ever......

But we cannot use the same type of terms like we do in Geophagus or discus, because noone ever has exactly discovered, when it would still have been possible! Maybe really also because of this:

in brazil, these fish are just pests

But now it's too late to discover it down there, because of the IBAMA and we propably really have to find different names like 'Black Diamon' for different appearances of Pot. leopoldi.....but if we want to know what we are speeking about, somebody has to start giving terms or a system to create those terms like Andi (rayman) has already tried to do for P14.
But in case of P14, I am not sure if there really are geographical differences, because P14 much to less discovered or exported in the past at all

Regards
Stefan

 

[StefanW]

If for exapmple Andi (=rayman) is not putting his sexual mature P14 male to his also sexual mature 800+ dot female, only for beeing able to see how the dots develop without damages caused through copulation........this is surely not for getting more bucks
To the contrary, he looses or does not earn LOTS of money because of this!

REgards
Stefan

 

[T1KARMANN]

well P14 all come from the same location don't they

if thats the case they are all p14 no different location their so the price and name should be the same not p14 super dopa mega spot galaxy royal just to kick up the price

a p14 is a p14 some just have more spots than others i would not pay more for one just because it had more spots and i would not sell a pup for more money just because it had more spots

the price of p14 if i ever get pups again will be £500-750

PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME 10000000000 PMs ASKING FOR PUPS AGAIN I WONT HAVE ANY FOR 1.5-2YRS

 

[Nic]

stefan i follow what you say.... and if we could breed as per river that would be good but now its kinda impossible to ID what river a ray is from... this method is to add $$$ signs wich is bs some rays will always be nicer than others but that doesnt alway mean they will be worth 3x the price...