Dilemma feeding live food

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I feed live food because it's good for them, not because I take enjoyment out of killing things or watching them get eaten. I actually only don't do much watching.

Have you not eaten far more intelligent animals than lizards? Were you filled with guilt and have you now changed your diet?

Whether it's good for them is debatable. Reason is possible disease in things like fish, amphibians and reptiles. Fish better than the other two and insects over fish. Especially if it's from a pet store or wild. Most CA cichlids even carnivorous ones need some sort of veggie and other vitamins in their diet. That is why a lot of people stick w/ a quality pellet w/ the occasional treat. A quality pellet like NLS has all the nutrients the fish needs and way better than a feeder. Pellets are probably better for water quality too.
Also there is a huge difference between a human and a fish lol.
 
I feed live food because it's good for them, not because I take enjoyment out of killing things or watching them get eaten. I actually only don't do much watching.

Have you not eaten far more intelligent animals than lizards? Were you filled with guilt and have you now changed your diet?

Whether it's good for them is debatable. Reason is possible disease in things like fish, amphibians and reptiles. Fish better than the other two and insects over fish. Especially if it's from a pet store or wild. Most CA cichlids even carnivorous ones need some sort of veggie and other vitamins in their diet. That is why a lot of people stick w/ a quality pellet w/ the occasional treat. A quality pellet like NLS has all the nutrients the fish needs and way better than a feeder. Pellets are probably better for water quality too.
Also there is a huge difference between a human and a fish lol.
 
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There was a study done about what P dovii eat in nature.
It found as they age, insects as opposed to fish, become a more significant part of their diet.
And its not surprising, here in Central America, insects abound, are sizable, full of protein and the plants they eat, and are much easier to catch as they fall into the water.
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and many of the amphibians are toxic.
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Your OP said you didn't have a problem with it (feeding live foods) and all you wanted to know was how we feel about it.

also its not really a problem its just that i want to know other people feel about it.

Seems you have other motives now. Maybe, you want to try again. Also, I didn't say what live foods I fed, and your guesses were wrong. I've never used feeders, fed lizards, or amphibians to my fish.
 
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I feel no guilt feeding my koi worms, slugs, or grasshoppers.
I've given my gts worms only a couple times. They are messy though. So I've been sticking to pellets and freeze dried foods.
Still, I feel no sadness being at the pet store and seeing a snake eat a live mouse. It's normal and a part of life.
 
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Whether it's good for them is debatable. Reason is possible disease in things like fish, amphibians and reptiles. Fish better than the other two and insects over fish. Especially if it's from a pet store or wild. Most CA cichlids even carnivorous ones need some sort of veggie and other vitamins in their diet. That is why a lot of people stick w/ a quality pellet w/ the occasional treat. A quality pellet like NLS has all the nutrients the fish needs and way better than a feeder. Pellets are probably better for water quality too.

I often read to fast and make assumptions. I didn't say I fed those things (feeders, lizards, amphibians.) I said I fed live food.

Also there is a huge difference between a human and a fish lol.

Again, you might have it, but I was comparing [a human] feeling guilty over causing the death of a lizard to [a human] not feeling guilty over causing the death of a cow or pig. That's what the thread is about: people feeling guilty over feeding live food.
 
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Also, we all know humans and fish are different. I wan't comparing fish to people. I was comparing feeling guilty over causing the death of a lizard to not feeling guilty over causing the death of a cow or pig.

Hello; Interesting. When I read your post it seemed clear to me you were commenting on a possible double standard between concern over feeding a live animal to a pet fish and the same person having no problem eating a big mac. I did not find your comments confusing.

Now two speculations of my own. First is that many folks are capable of holding two or more very opposite view points in their mind at the same time. In this case feeling guilty over live food to a fish and being able to eat a burger without any problem. Same sort of thing can be found in other areas of life. I will not give examples from religion and politics because we are not allowed to discuss those topics.
I have come to think this works because when we get our burger meat at the market or a fast food place the act of killing is remote, unseen and done by someone we hire to do the deed. Throw a live animal into a tank and it is you doing the deed and the death happens in front of your eyes.
I find this an unrealistic point of view. In either scenario we "own" the death, does not matter if it is remote or by our own hand. Eat a burger and you have a hand in the killing of a cow. Feed processed pellets which have animal bits in them and you have a hand in the killing of an animal.

Second thing is that you may have aggravated other members in the past and they will use any opportunity to get in a dig. I know some forum members do not like my stated positions on things because they have said as much. One member even went so far as to hope a dog mauled me some time back.
I sometimes get digs toward me that are out of proportion to my post or comments. Sometimes it is a member I can recall having a verbal spat with. Other times I have no recall of a direct spat and maybe I ragged on one of their buddies.
 
I find this an unrealistic point of view. In either scenario we "own" the death, does not matter if it is remote or by our own hand. Eat a burger and you have a hand in the killing of a cow. Feed processed pellets which have animal bits in them and you have a hand in the killing of an animal.

This was my point exactly. I wanted the OP to respond to this question to determine if he feels guilty because he personally is the one "pulling the trigger."



Second thing is that you may have aggravated other members in the past and they will use any opportunity to get in a dig.

Interesting point. Very interesting! But subtleties like that are lost on me. I require a 2x4.

Most times I am oblivious to this (which is admittedly sometimes good and most times bad.) If that happens, it's like a brand new slate to me. I don't try to get in digs and even if a rare other person does, I find it better to act as if no one else does either. Don't want to think about ulterior motives.
 
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I agree with strangelove, and in the end, I don't really care much about what anyone calls or thinks about me, or what I write. but hey, skyjl47, I still luv you man.
 
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