discussion about Bparrots from the What Cichlid boasts the best Fin's? thread

[dogofwar]

Why - in my view - it's absurd is that people place huge value judgements on the lineage of the ornamental fish.

Whether it's a "pure" ornamental fish...or an "impure" one.

Is a balloon molly really more "pure" than a "convict" that's a cross of more than one of the (recently described/split) Amatitlania species?

Matt

 

[Chrisplosion]

If its a thread thats a general discussion about SA/CA cichlids then I think its fare game to mention them but if its strictly about Blood Parrots for example then it should be in the Hybrid section. So the thread about the fins was fair game to mention Blood Parrots and Flowerhorn because they are SA/CA cichlids regardless if they are hybrid or mutated strains.

Think of it this way, all rectangles are squares but not all squares are rectangles.

 

[Oscarum monstruoso]

I just find it funny that fishkeepers who look down on hybrids act like their keeping a fish in a glass tank in their homes is somehow more natural.

 

[Chrisplosion]

They won't own a hybrid fish but they will own a hybrid car and act all smug about it.

 

[DanG13]

 

[Modest_Man]

http://parrotcichlid.com/history An interesting article.

So according to this article parrots are a cross of A. citrillum x P. synspilum.

Through years of experimenting, fish breeding researchers have discovered a breeding technique to cross breed between Red Devil (Cichlasoma citrinellum) and Redheaded Cichlid (C. synspillum) to create offspring known as Red Diamond (Xue Zhuan Shi) and Red Precious Stone (Xue Bao Shi).

It then states later that parrots were the beginning of gold severums.

Those classified in group super A and A are known for their large size and wider bodies. These two groups of Red parrot were in fact the beginning stage of Gold Severum (Jin Gang Ying Wu in its Chinese name)!

The commonly chosen male parents for breeding are Purple Parrot (Zi Hong Huo Kou), Red Devils, and C. dovii (Jin Qian Bao). The success occurs by choosing male Red Devil to pair with female Red Parrot to produce their offspring of second and third or even more generations. This breeding technique has created today's Gold Severum (Jin Gang Ying Wu).

So the article states that by crossing two CA cichlids and then selectively breeding them the can get a color morph of a severum huh? The gold severum is clearly not a Central American hybrid.

It also gets two whole continents confused.

from South America to cross-breed with the Red Parrot in Taiwan. The selected fish for parentage include C. nicaraguense (Zhen Zhu Huokou) C.octofasciatum (Lan Huo Kou), C. festae (Hong Fu Huo Kou), C. Meeki (Jin Buo Luo), C. severum (Jiu Jian Buo Luo), C, centrarchus (Hua Wen Bao), C. managuense or C. dovii (Jin Qian Bao) C. carpinte (Jie Wang), Hypselecara temporalis (Shi Tou), C. nigrofasciatum (Hong Zhu Astoronotus ocellatus var and Uaru amhiacanthoides Hei Yun).

And alludes to time travel...

The Red Parrot first appeared in the the early 1990s

The table below is from an abstract of my article on Red Parrot published on AquaLife's June issue in 1980, which also appeared on the 11th issue of AquaPet magazine.

This article is a joke. If the author can't get basic facts straight how trustworthy is anything else they said?

 

[Chrisplosion]

Yes there seem to be some errors in the article but I still stand by the fact there is vieja synspilum in blood parrots.

 

[BC in SK]

First time I ever seen a picture of a blood parrot was over 10 years ago. The deformed head was something I associated with it being a hybrid. The reason being was that in the early 1980's, at the very same time, I crossed mayan cichlid with a texas while my brother had crossed mayan with JD. My brother gave me all the mayan X JD as he did not like them because of their deformed heads. I had these crosses for a while but ended up using them all as feeders. The deformed heads of the mayan X JD was not as severe as a blood parrot, but similar looking, so it is something I associated with cichlid hybirdization. That a blood parrot is nothing more then a deformed mutant RD/Midas is something I have read a number of timeson the internet ------could be, but I doubt it.But other parrot strains, such as a king kong parrot are KNOWN to be the product of certain crosses.

But this thread, linked on the Ca/SA fin thread, is the very first time I have ever heard of someone claiming that a Flowerhorn is not the product of cichlid hybirdization, but solely the result of line breeding.

http://www.perthcichlid.com.au/forum/index.php?showtopic=27801&st=20

What is Heiko Blehr actually claiming here? That a flowerhorn is simply a line bred Caquetia umbriferus? As if!!! C. umbriferus has a very distinctive protrusible mouth that a flowerhorn most certainly does not pocess. Trimac genes are obvious in a number of flowerhorn strains or breeds. As well, from what I understand from this thread, Blehr is claiming that all cichlid hybrids are streile! Maybe that is true of discus hybrids(?) but MANY C.A. hybrids, and rift lake cichlid hybrids are most definately fertile. That is fact!

 

[Husky Jerk]

So according to this article parrots are a cross of A. citrillum x P. synspilum.



It then states later that parrots were the beginning of gold severums.





So the article states that by crossing two CA cichlids and then selectively breeding them the can get a color morph of a severum huh? The gold severum is clearly not a Central American hybrid.

It also gets two whole continents confused.



And alludes to time travel...





This article is a joke. If the author can't get basic facts straight how trustworthy is anything else they said?

The "Gold Severum" is likely an Asian term, or a poor translation. Jin Gang is a type of faded flowerhorn and the suggested mix of fish to make them makes sense. Mine was sold as a Golden Trimac.

 

[jcon]

I beleive alot of the fish in the industry that we claim to be pure could be hybrids without any of us knowing better, they are the result of 100s of years of mix breeding naturally in the wild. All animals have been doing this since the start of existence. We see a specimen that has slightly different traits, and we call the new species card. For example, a panther is actually a black leopard. I also beleive it's natures way for most hybrids to become sterile, to stop new species from forming, but then again the strongest survive and some make it.