discussion about Bparrots from the What Cichlid boasts the best Fin's? thread

[Kaliedoscope]

And fairy dust too.





This thread is going to end up going no where just because NO ONE KNOWS.

You can blow smoke all day but if you boil it down no one has any sort of solid proof whatsoever.

Hows my parrots for example? They have synspillum colours, along with barred midas, labiatus and yellow fader midas,
suffice to say, I've done waay too much research on this and a blood parrot contains all three Labiatus RD, Midas, and RSSynspillum. It is impossible to say what amount because they are constantly crossed back to ensure genetic viability. Modern blood parrots are made in asia and farms here by crossing a breeder female with any of the above species.
The dwarfism trait was bred in (as a "sport") and has nothing to do with hybridization.


I think this discussion was settled a long time ago by a few of the knowledgable people in the hybrids section, and I think that discussion, not this one, should be a sticky.

By the way, most of that history of the blood parrot on the parrot cichlid american website (with all that stuff about dyed parrots being bred together for more colour) Is "chinese whispers" and a bunch of bull.

If you want any proof about the lineage of bp, just look at the genetic variation in the fish they cull at blood parrot farms - the ones that don't fade to the LabxRSS RED colour. You will see traits of the three species used to create them and nothing more.

Sorry to be so short about it but I think we really need to settle this discussion and put the information somewhere so that people don't need to ask. I'll make a website of compiled data if any of you think thats a good idea. otherwise someone should make the best old discussion about this a sticky.

 

[Kaliedoscope]

as for what kind of cichlid boasts the best fins, i think is Neolamprologus Brichardi.

I know its african.

 

[Scatocephalus]

It then states later that parrots were the beginning of gold severums.

So the article states that by crossing two CA cichlids and then selectively breeding them the can get a color morph of a severum huh? The gold severum is clearly not a Central American hybrid.

When I first read this my reaction was WTF? Gold severums have been around for years prior to BP's ever being created. I went back and re-read the paragraph. Essentially it was just a very poorly written article.

I think what the author meant to say is that the same technique used to set the traits of the BP's is the same technique used to set the traits of the gold severum. As written it sounds like gold severums were the result of having created BP's which we know is bunk.

Also, they show these two pictures as the original fish that were crossed

That second fish is NOT a Red Devil. Looks more like variety of Tilapia.

Horrid article.

 

[Chrisplosion]

Heres a picture of one of mine that shows the Synspilum colors, it should have been culled but wasn't.

 

[Chrisplosion]

When I first read this my reaction was WTF? Gold severums have been around for years prior to BP's ever being created. I went back and re-read the paragraph. Essentially it was just a very poorly written article.

I think what the author meant to say is that the same technique used to set the traits of the BP's is the same technique used to set the traits of the gold severum. As written it sounds like gold severums were the result of having created BP's which we know is bunk.

Also, they show these two pictures as the original fish that were crossed

That second fish is NOT a Red Devil. Looks more like variety of Tilapia.

Horrid article.

Somethings got messed up when translated.

 

[Modest_Man]

Heres a picture of one of mine that shows the Synspilum colors, it should have been culled but wasn't.

What about that fish looks like a synspilum?

That looks mostly like an un-faded Amphilophus type, which we all pretend to know are a big part of the blood parrot genetics.

Some of my synspilum-

And one of a female barred midas-

 

[Chrisplosion]

What about that fish looks like a synspilum?

That looks mostly like an un-faded Amphilophus type, which we all pretend to know are a big part of the blood parrot genetics.

The color on the cheek/belly. Where did you get your Synspilum?

 

[Modest_Man]

From a guy in Seattle. Was a couple years ago. Longtime cichlid keeper. Aquamojo's pair among others were siblings of my guys. He distributed them across the US at ACA convetions.

 

[BC in SK]

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The color on the cheek/belly.

Probably the most common area for a midas cichlid-type fish to first start showing their color transformation. `The color on the cheekébelly`looks exactly like a midas cichlid just starting to undergo color tranformation; not any characteristic of a Paratheraps synspilum.

Blood parrots could be RD/midas X P. synspilum, but their is really very little, if nothing, that one can find on a blood parrot that is an obvious characteristic from P. synspilum.
I still think that blood parrots are some kind of hybrid. Could be RD/midas X P. synspilum. But we`ll never know for sure unless they do DNA testing or the original breeders come out and tell us exactly what it is.

But no way I will ever be convinced that a Flowerhorn is simply a line bred Caquetia umbriferus. Too many obvious Trimac characteristics. 10-15 years of just line breeding is not a long enough period of time to alter the Caquetia-type mouth into an Amphilophus-type mouth

 

[GTbEaSt]

I strongly believe them to be hybrids.