DO YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION?

[travis2k]

That might actually support evidence of a great flood lol.

I dont beleive In god, but I have heard a lot of scientific evidence, and cultural evidence to suggest that there was a great flood.
(our natives here have legends of a great white whale saving their people from a flood and taking them to the top of a mountain, where the whale became a glacier)

I have also found fossils of clams more than 18" across in one of the riverbeds well above sea level, which at one point was covered by the ocean.

Seems totally reasonable that saltwater rays could have been stuck in lakes and rivers when the water level went down.

 

[Totskie]

I'm not a scientist, but an artist. I see the world through a visual filter and I try not to discriminate against views in contrast to mine. I like topics like these that are controversial due to their scientific evidence as well as their strong threat towards religion, a very deeply rooted cultural and personal trait. From what I've seen on T.V. and learned, I'm favoring the reality of evolution more than other types of theories on creation, solely from the evidence that backs up evolution. I've never seen evidence from the "creator" or besides the stories that have been passed on through generations. Although evolution has become a household name, people tend to forget that it is still a theory.
With new discoveries and new technologies, I think evolution is still a blur that we're trying to make out.......especially with threads like these.

 

[tank125]

I have tried, but I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea that someone that is sane can say that evolution did not occur. That is like a child saying that they did not do something because no one saw it. To NOT believe in evolution is to succumb to ones ego at such an extraordinary level that one thinks that all things revolve around oneself and humankind. The earth has been here for 3.4 billion years. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE HUMAN MIND TO CONCEPTUALIZE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME. We are but a speck of a speck of a speck on the time scale. If remnants of past beings were so easily found and so well preserved we would be standing on top of hundreds of billions of bones from hundreds of millions of years of fauna. It does not surprise me in least bit that we have not found the "link" between ape and man. It is shear arrogance of the human mind to assume that we can find it. Carbon based life forms die and return to the earth, without a trace 99.99999999999% of the time. It is down right scary to me that people do not believe in evolution, unfortunately in the great USA those people can still vote for our president! IDK, to say evolution doesn't happen because one can't imagine how, is just foolishness... it happens at the level of the species, not the individual.

 

[Ullopincrate]

I have to keep saying this because I see a few "I can't understand why you don't believe in evolutions", I do believe in species only evolution by natural selection. However carbon dating which single cell evolutionists rely so heavily on is questionable at best. Not to mention there has been more falsified research and fake evidence in this argument than anything I can think of other than conspiracy theories/ area 51/ governmental cover ups. I'm fine with anyone producing evidence but don't make it up/lie.

 

[turkeyboy85]

guys lets keep within forum rules of no talk about religion i want to hear more about peoples view points on how freshwater rays "enviornmentally adapted"

 

[SovietFireExtinguisher]

it is harder to believe to me that ----quoted by turkeyboy--- "they had gotten trapped when the contenents moved and it created a lake, and the salinity started to drop from the rain waters and eventually the lake was then opened up into river systems briinging down the salinity even more so over these thousands/ millions of years.... " than it is to believe creationism....lol

Wow, I'm stunned! Continents moving and crashing into each other as the Earths crust cooled creating mountains such as the Himalayas and the Rockies is a fact. The Himalayas are still growing at about 3'' a year. That's a fact. Creationism is the theory. It's something that you can't measure, observe, quantify, or even taste, but you still believe in it. That's called faith. I have faith. I believe in God. I just don't think that the feeble little stories some come up with to explain the unexplainable that the all powerful all mighty God has done or set in motion carry any weight in reality regardless of how many believe in them. There were whole civilizations that used to believe in Zeus and Olin and now no longer exist. They teach them to you in school as Greek Mythology or Norse Mythology. Those civilizations lived and died for what they believed in, but it still did not make it true. Besides all of this, DNA HAS provided the missing link that was mentioned before and that is fact again not theory. If some right wing so called scientist wants to disagree with facts so that he can continue to get funding from the far right to sustain his cushy living that's a totally different story.

Now as for Stingrays, I do believe that they evolved from salt water rays but not from the Pacific Ocean as once thought but rather the Atlantic Ocean. The are much more closely related with Atlantic rays as evidenced by DNA.

 

[Ullopincrate]

I also find it odd that intelligent people can so readily accept the astronomical odds of our being on this planet as the result of an explosion of a giant rock but won't give any other ideas a whirl.

 

[Bottomfeeder]

i have my own beliefs...but its kindof an interpretation of religion and evolution being worked into eachother...so im not sayin it...
why is this in the ray forum?

 

[Ullopincrate]

There is no DNA evidence of a missing link.

 

[Ullopincrate]

It got de railed.

In all actuality we have no proof. The rays could have taken to riverways when the asteroid theory (dinosaur demise) happened. It could have been an effect of pangea. Or it is possible that the freshwater rays wandered into the ocean. I think all are viable theories