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kittyhazelton;1289950; said:
Though, I would also suppose that if you're TECHNICALLY a truly responsible owner, you wouldn't be feeding your snake live anyway, thus the snake wouldn't necessarily NEED to have venom glands to hunt in a captive environment I've read that while it is speculated that the venom aids in digestion, there have been no observed difficulties in venomoids eating..... but I'm done with that argument.
If only there was a way to breed a trait in certain venomous snakes so that they either don't produce venom, or that the venom is milder and less deadly to humans. But that's a whole new subject all together.


But WHY?
This is still changing the way these animals are built as a species.

Jeez just go with GTP thats yellow..


And if I'm COMPLETELY honest. around 70% of those wanting to keep nevomous snakes will stop wanting them once the venoms gone (and its known to the public..).
 
Ophiuchus;1289959; said:
Dear God, this thread really took off! Like 3 hrs ago, it was only 3 pages...now its 6! Not that I'm truly surprised; this issue always triggers lengthy debates.

Anyway, just to add my $.02...I really don't agree with venomoids at all. According to my research in the matter and reviewing a lot of Dr. Fry's material, to properly do this procedure, the venom glands (which produce the venom) have to be removed and the ducts (which carry the venom to the fangs) have to be surgically closed. Both of these must be done, and even then, according to Dr. Fry, some elapids will regenerate them back (so far, I dont think any vipers have regenerated them).

But even so, I dont agree with it, even for educational purposes, because it will give the false impression that these snakes are handleable.

Now, Dr. Fry mentions that many venomoids learn to dispatch live prey without any issues at all, so I don't think the argument that they are unable to catch food without venom is too solid. Nevertheless, the removal of their venom is at best, a temporary procedure, and any intelligent person would still treat them as hots, this negating the whole process void anyway.

On the whole, there's no legitimate reason for this to be done. The only reason people do it is for a quick and easy way to enlarge their ego. It's just like telling everyone that you're a black belt in karate...but you're really not. One day, a real black belt will challenege you...and then what are you gonna do?


Can you get some evidence the non - constrictor venomous snakes can kill theyre prey without venom please? This is something I'd be interested in learning.
 
Can someone point me in the direction to a speices of snake that has the same amazing coloration and patterning as a rhinoceros viper that's still within the same price range and availability? if you can find me a NON-venomous species of snake like that, then I will be happy to say "why alter a hot snake when you can get a safe one that's just as good?"
 
gain experience with hots for a few years, then see if your experienced enough and then own one.

like with constrictors (large ones) you have to gain experience handling them.
 
or you could always accept you cant have everything your own way and changing a snakes way of life is being abit selfish just so you can 'own' it.
 
Jessica Dring;1290014; said:
or you could always accept you cant have everything your own way and changing a snakes way of life is being abit selfish just so you can 'own' it.

I was just using an example. My god! Don't automatically assume that I wanted to go out and buy one, you don't have to get so feisty. :chillpill:
I personally really like the look of the rhinos, so I'm looking for a non-venomous with a similar coloration and features. (Venomous. surgically removed glands or not) are illegal in my state, and I know NOBODY with any venomous to learn how to handle them, so hot snakes are out of the question for me regardless.
I was using the "you find me one and I'll shut up" because that's one of the arguments I hear from others who are looking for something specific but don't want to bother with the time/research.
Sides, I just found what I was looking for.... oooooohhh mandarin ratsnake... purty.
 
I'm chilled, i wasn't to know you didnt want one if you said you did LOL.
And sorry if it sounded like I was jumping on your case. I wasn't trying to sound like that lol
 
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