Does quarantine stress the fish more than it's worth?
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dingoofus;3139154; said:
That's true, fish in the wild haven't been sheltered by quarantine.
But fish in the wild don't live in a confined box, either.
What a dangerous thing to say. You are encouraging even beginners to learn the hard way by saying quarantining is a personal preference. Do what you will but there has to be rules put under perspective to avoid future problems and learning the hard way by losing every effort once a disease such as fish TB strikes.dingoofus;3139390; said:
I learned the hard way myself when fish TB struck one tank and I had no choice but to destroy all my fish after months of frustration trying to prevent it.
I am sorry to say this but frankly, it is your choice. I guess it's to each, his own. If people choose to learn the hard way, it's fine. It's not our fish. We just try to help wherever we can to our fellow hobbyists. The likes of Bderick and those who quarantine their fish diligently, in my opinion, is a sign of responsibility for his own fish. They take good care of their current stocks and safeguard them by quarantining the new arrivals which are possible disease carriers, no matter the source. IMO, this is a true responsible hobbyist.
Lupin;3139750; said:What a dangerous thing to say. You are encouraging even beginners to learn the hard way by saying quarantining is a personal preference. Do what you will but there has to be rules put under perspective to avoid future problems and learning the hard way by losing every effort once a disease such as fish TB strikes.
I learned the hard way myself when fish TB struck one tank and I had no choice but to destroy all my fish after months of frustration trying to prevent it.
I am sorry to say this but frankly, it is your choice. I guess it's to each, his own. If people choose to learn the hard way, it's fine. It's not our fish. We just try to help wherever we can to our fellow hobbyists. The likes of Bderick and those who quarantine their fish diligently, in my opinion, is a sign of responsibility for his own fish. They take good care of their current stocks and safeguard them by quarantining the new arrivals which are possible disease carriers, no matter the source. IMO, this is a true responsible hobbyist.
Lol, I'm not encouraging anyone, I think I even said stuff along the lines of I can see why people quarantine fish and I'm not trying to start a debate.
Okay I'm gonna use myself as an example of my point, note that I am not comparing fish to myself or humans or any other animal, I'm just using this example as an example of my motives.
Okay if someone gets a cold or the flu, they might take medication for this sickness, the medication helps there body fight bacteria etc, but next time around they will need to take a slightly stronger dose of medicne for it to have the same effect, therefore their bodies relience on outside help increases. I refuse to take medicine because if my body can beat the sickness by itself it does my body better in the long run, it builds up immunities and my body doesn't rely on anything exept itself to cure or prevent the sickness.
You know what's in vaccines? Small doses of the thing they are used to prevent. Fish will never build up immunities to these things if they are wrapped up in cotton wool, they need to be exposed to small amounts of bacteria, etc. The only way to build up immunity is to cop a small dose of the thing.
For anyone reading this, don't take my word for it, do a bit of research yourself and form your own ideas on the topic, I'm only putting forward a suggestion, anything I type is not meant, or intended to be taken as gospel. Don't blame me for having different ideas to the conventional methods.
exactly.
I have a 150g main tank and I use a 20g as a quarentine tank.
I don't want to put my existing stock at risk (and deal with the pain in the ass of dealing with ich or some other disease in a tank that big) so I use the quarentine for all new fish.
I have run into many saltwater people who made the mistake of adding fish to a 180+ gallon reef tanks and have had to deal with ich in a tank full of sensitive corals.
not fun.
the problem can happen in some of these amazing planted setups -whichh are really like freshwater reefs - the plants cant take the meds any better than the corals can.
its not just for saltwater. its for fresh too.
its a must if you want to avoid major problems IMO
not fun.
the problem can happen in some of these amazing planted setups -whichh are really like freshwater reefs - the plants cant take the meds any better than the corals can.
its not just for saltwater. its for fresh too.
its a must if you want to avoid major problems IMO
not sure I understand the question though:
why would bringing a fish home from the LFS and putting in a quarentine tank stress the fish any more than putting in a main tank (unless the quarentine tank is way too small for the sized fish you got)?
why would bringing a fish home from the LFS and putting in a quarentine tank stress the fish any more than putting in a main tank (unless the quarentine tank is way too small for the sized fish you got)?
Lots of thought-provoking answers, thanks everyone.
12 Volt Man & tcarswell: from testing the water. I had 3 platies in a full 5-gallon bucket. Inside 2 days, nitrite spiked to 1.6. Water changing dropped it to nothing, then inside 2 days or less, up again. Feeding was minimal, a very small pinch once a day.
When the main tank (30G) was cycling, nitrite never got above 0.5 over two weeks before zeroing out . . . with 8 fish in it . . . and inconsistent water changes (first tank, I didn't know / follow protocol very well).
I was thinking, what's worse for the fish? Because a lot of the diseases are always present in tanks, anyway, right? Like Ich. It pops up when a fish is stressed or weakened enough to let the Ich blossom.
So . . . what if the 5-gallon bucket way is more like a little Ich factory than anything else? Toxins spiking up, then down, then up, then down, compared to a much lower rise if the fish just went into the main tank.
Wondering if itis just more practical to choose healthy-looking fish from the store and pop them in the main tank right away.
12 Volt Man & tcarswell: from testing the water. I had 3 platies in a full 5-gallon bucket. Inside 2 days, nitrite spiked to 1.6. Water changing dropped it to nothing, then inside 2 days or less, up again. Feeding was minimal, a very small pinch once a day.
When the main tank (30G) was cycling, nitrite never got above 0.5 over two weeks before zeroing out . . . with 8 fish in it . . . and inconsistent water changes (first tank, I didn't know / follow protocol very well).
I was thinking, what's worse for the fish? Because a lot of the diseases are always present in tanks, anyway, right? Like Ich. It pops up when a fish is stressed or weakened enough to let the Ich blossom.
So . . . what if the 5-gallon bucket way is more like a little Ich factory than anything else? Toxins spiking up, then down, then up, then down, compared to a much lower rise if the fish just went into the main tank.
Wondering if itis just more practical to choose healthy-looking fish from the store and pop them in the main tank right away.
