I hate idiotic pet owners.
Good for you cleaning the tank for the fish's sake - that was sweet of you.
Maybe their tank should "disappear" and "reappear in your house!
Theft is always a good idea
Don't try to help the stuborn.
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i just dont understand why someone would want to have a fish tank if they have no intentions of cleaning it or taking care of it. ignorance is no excuse anyone who is in the hobby new or experienced knows the importance of h2o changes its stressed so much. theres no excuse, dont have the fish if you dont want to take care of them. simple as that
I think you did the right thing. It wasn't your fault. Your friend said it was his tank. You gave him advice and who knows how he told it to his mom. You are right though. Some people are just stubborn.
Not trying to steal the post but my story. Well. One of my friends mom got her and herself a tank. Her mom got a 29gallon and put 2 Oscars and 1 Common Plec in it. My friend got a 10gallon and put 6 Neons, 15 Guppies, 2 Swordtails, 1 Goldfish, and 1 Common Plec. I said nothing about stock because I knew they would just get mad. Well. At first the tanks were okay, but then the water started evaporating. The thing was. They wouldn't fill the tanks back up. It got to the point where the 29 was missing about 4-5" of water and the 10 only had 2" of water in the whole tank. So. I asked her mother and her if I could fill up the tank. She said yes. I filled them up about 3 times after that. Every time I asked her first and always got her permission before I messed with the tanks. Well. One day my family and them and me were on the porch talking. Then her mom started talking about how I was always messing with the tanks and she didn't want me too. That just boiled my blood because I have ALWAYS asked for her permission first. Both tanks eventually crashed. Well. Recently I was forced to sell them my 29gallon. It only had 3 Betta's (1 male 2 female) in it. They then put 2 Angels in it. Well. When I was over there last. The male Betta was dead on the gravel and been there for 2 weeks, the filters had stopped, and there was mold growing. I just didn't say anything though because of what she said when I helped them last time.
I think that it's ok to eat fish and such. BUT. I think theres a major difference between raising fish and such to be eaten, and getting a fish just to kill it when it gets to be a nuisance, and then getting another one.
Not trying to steal the post but my story. Well. One of my friends mom got her and herself a tank. Her mom got a 29gallon and put 2 Oscars and 1 Common Plec in it. My friend got a 10gallon and put 6 Neons, 15 Guppies, 2 Swordtails, 1 Goldfish, and 1 Common Plec. I said nothing about stock because I knew they would just get mad. Well. At first the tanks were okay, but then the water started evaporating. The thing was. They wouldn't fill the tanks back up. It got to the point where the 29 was missing about 4-5" of water and the 10 only had 2" of water in the whole tank. So. I asked her mother and her if I could fill up the tank. She said yes. I filled them up about 3 times after that. Every time I asked her first and always got her permission before I messed with the tanks. Well. One day my family and them and me were on the porch talking. Then her mom started talking about how I was always messing with the tanks and she didn't want me too. That just boiled my blood because I have ALWAYS asked for her permission first. Both tanks eventually crashed. Well. Recently I was forced to sell them my 29gallon. It only had 3 Betta's (1 male 2 female) in it. They then put 2 Angels in it. Well. When I was over there last. The male Betta was dead on the gravel and been there for 2 weeks, the filters had stopped, and there was mold growing. I just didn't say anything though because of what she said when I helped them last time.
I think that it's ok to eat fish and such. BUT. I think theres a major difference between raising fish and such to be eaten, and getting a fish just to kill it when it gets to be a nuisance, and then getting another one.
Lockness' Oscar;412242; said:
oh man you said it. people really think that because they are older that they are wiser. i'm 17 and I work part time in my department and i know more about fish and herps than anyone else in the store. The only two people that knew that were my manager and my supervisor. I hate it when someone who is maybe 5 years older than me treats me like I'm 12 and that I don't know anything. I've got a friend who has been serious about fish for 20 years that wants my input for what to do for his pond, but one of my coworkers gives out wrong information because she thinks she knows everything because she has a betta. ha, that betta wouldn't last a minute with my fish.
I ordinarily avoid moral discussions on this forum, (except for one I inadvertently started with the 'glowing fish' thread)shekes;421125;421125 said:
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This opinion based argument on how fish are no different from other animals and there are greater cruelties is a good opening for me, as a vegetarian and sometime animal rights activist to make some slightly more objective (that is to say, less moral) arguments heard. As a vegetarian, I stand on equal moral ground between all animals. But, unlike many of my ilk, I am a scientist and a practical man. I condone keeping certain pets because their capacity to recognize their captivity is limited by their cognitive function. Some fish have such bad short term memory that when they are not mating or eating they just swim in circles. I also recognize the usefulness of animal studies for medical purposes, but do not condone the use of animals to study things like cigarettes, which are purely `wasteful, both of resources and of human life. Likewise, the killing of that plecostomus is wasteful. It depletes wild populations without any gain, as this woman doesn't seem to have much emotion towards it, and it is doubtful that the finds their companionship enjoyable. Compare to the passenger pigeon or carolina parakeet. Seemingly limitless resources were squandered to depletion, when just a tiny bit of moderation would have preserved these resources. When people shoot bushels of birds out of the sky for the fun of it and then leave them to rot, they are displaying the same mentality as this person, the same mentality that is destroying the worlds wild places.
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And remember....always buy captive bred!
well let's all face it people, there are owners that will eat their fish and others that will not. my opinion is, we have different lives and have varied sets of principles that we go by. one man is different from the other and if someone here says that his dinner is his pet and someone feels disgusted about it, its just their selves reacting to the situation, i mean they come from different points of view, and react differently. we all eat fishes almost everyday the main difference is there are fishes raised for human consumption and fishes raised as pets. and some people look at fishes the same way, if its edible it can be eaten, while others can't bare the thought of eating their pets. for example is the Arapaima, some people eat them some don't, its just their point of view, nothing is wrong their. hope y'all get me. this is my take to this discussion.
but what is important is that if we ever get pets, we should take good care of them as much as we can, as long we can, and if ever we want to eat them or kill them we must ensure that we do it in the most humane procedure as possible. lets face it we are all meat eaters, partaking flesh every ones in a while (except for the vegetarians)
btw even noobs will know if the water is already polluted or not and if they are unsure, will take responsibility and ask others that knows more than them. i think its just sheer lazyness that keeps some people from not taking good care of their pets. lets all hope that these people will learn their lessons in the long run.
eventually we must be open minded enough and accept the fact that we can even learn some things from kids in preschool when we're already college graduates and working for some bigtime company.
regards to all.
but what is important is that if we ever get pets, we should take good care of them as much as we can, as long we can, and if ever we want to eat them or kill them we must ensure that we do it in the most humane procedure as possible. lets face it we are all meat eaters, partaking flesh every ones in a while (except for the vegetarians)
btw even noobs will know if the water is already polluted or not and if they are unsure, will take responsibility and ask others that knows more than them. i think its just sheer lazyness that keeps some people from not taking good care of their pets. lets all hope that these people will learn their lessons in the long run.
eventually we must be open minded enough and accept the fact that we can even learn some things from kids in preschool when we're already college graduates and working for some bigtime company.
regards to all.
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