EBJD bloat? (video)

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Ok, I'm ready to take action but I need answers first.

I've got epsom salt, and I picked up some metronidazole just in case (though the LFS only had 1 small container of it, so its probably only enough for treat the tank (125g) once I'd bet.

I just need to know if its safe to mix epsom salt with API's freshwater aquarium salt? or do I need to remove the API salt through water changes before adding epsom?
 
epsom salt is a different mineral than aquarium salt so i dont think it should matter but if your worried do the water change and dose the epsom salt at 2 tablespoons per 10 gal
 
his fins look a bit ragged to me try bumpin up your wc by say 10-15% in volume, large volume wc are the answer in my book.

the fish looked to be gasping somewhat is the tank low on 02
 
dwilder;3483697; said:
epsom salt is a different mineral than aquarium salt so i dont think it should matter but if your worried do the water change and dose the epsom salt at 2 tablespoons per 10 gal

Ok thanks, I did 3 more 20g water changes last night so all but 20g of salt should be gone now. I'm going to be gone most of the day but when I get back I'm going to start dosing epsom salt (i want to be here to moniter the fish).

Chef, its fins are pretty much always like that with the exception of his tale, thats from nipping. But the rear-ends of his upper and lower fins next to his tail (i don't know the right terms...) have always been like that, they're not elongated like the other EBJDs' fins are. His top fin is more noticeable, looks like a lil chunk is missing, but that same chunk has been missing since day 1 and it never grew longer.

There should be plenty of o2 in the tank, decent amount of surface agitation and I have a whisper 40 air pump running on a sponge filter.

If you go back and look at the video in my original post, you can see a white dot (about the size of a pin-head) on the upper-rear fin of the "bloated" EBJD...i'm a lil concerned about that too. It's 3-D...
 
a fish that is bloated will start to breath heavy i would get that epsom salt in there as soon as posible
 
When I got home an hour ago I did another 20g water change to remove the rest of API freshwater aquarium salt. Now I've got 10 tablespoons of epsom salt in the tank (50g treatment). I'm going to observe the tank for a couple hours to make sure this new salt doesn't have ill effects on anything. If all goes well, I'll dose another 12 tablespoons of epsom later tonight.
 
Just added the rest of the dose of epsom salt. How long should I keep it in the tank? few days? a week?

and, how soon will it start to reduce the bloat? does it take a a day or two? or a week or two? etc

thanks again
 
cool to hear hope your fish recovers
 
I took this video about an hour ago, can't tell if its gotten any worse since Thursday or not...

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From Oddball ...BLOAT - & Treatment

To treat Bloat, the plan of attack is:
Metronidazole and water changes, water changes, water changes!!

1. Remove carbon/resins from filter.
2. Perform a 30-50% water change (reduces free-floating bacteria population)
3. Add salt (teaspoon to a tablespoon per gallon) to aid the fish's osmotic regulation processes.
4. Treat with 250mg/20gallons of Metronidazole (Flagyl)
5. Leave for 3 days and do not feed.
6. After 3 days, perform another large water change.
7. Replace the salt.
8. Add full dosage of Metronidazole.
9. Wait another 3 days. During this phase, the bloat should be decreasing in appearance. In large fish, the water may take on an ammonia odor from the high volume of urea the fish should now be producing due to reducing the bloat and recovering renal activity.
10. 3rd day, another water change. Also, replace the salt and redose the metronidazole (full dose). If the fish looks to be well on the road to recovery you can offer a small feeding each day.
11. Another water change on the 3rd day. No meds but, I'd recommend the salt. You should be clear now.

This is the treatment I use on my africans, puffers, and my lungfishes/polypteridae. Knock on wood that it's worked every single time.

An old school method of treating bloat is with the use of epsom salt at the rate of 2 tablespoons per 10 gallons of tank volume. This method has been successful but, takes longer to treat than by using Metronidazole.

Note in the pics the abdominal distention caused by the bacteria and in a severe case, such as this, the scales are pushed away from the body.


Tokis-Phoenix adds: (For full freshwater (aka sweetwater))

There are many things that can cause bloating, constipation and dropsy being the main two.

Dropsy;

The problem with treating this disease is that there are a number of "potential" causes: bacterial infection, parasites, cancerous tumors, virus', internal fungal infections or sudden temperature drop of more than 3 degrees.

If the cause is bacterial, the swelling typically comes on pretty rapidly. If swelling is gradual then one or more of the other potential causes are more likely. Unfortunately, treatment is most often useless at this point due to the advanced state of the disease process. When the illness, whatever the cause, has progressed far enough to cause internal swelling, the concomitant internal damage is usually too extensive to be repairable.

The latest research has shown that if the disease cause is bacterial and if the disease process is caught early enough, treatment with Romet B, a broad spectrum antibacterial, *may* be effective when used concurrent with an increase in water temperature to 84-86ºF for 2 weeks minimum.

BE CERTAIN to maintain HIGH OXYGEN LEVELS during such treatment since at these temperatures, water holds significantly less oxygen at these higher water temperatures. One of the suspected bacterial precursors to the disease process -- Aeromonas, is killed at these temperatures.

Concurrently add 1/8 teaspoon of EPSOM SALT -- per 5 gallons of water . Feeding foods soaked in ERYTHROMYCIN will kill the second suspected bacteria, Mycobacterium. In rare cases popeye has been found to be caused by Edwardsiella etarda. This is found *only* in fish that have been bred in outdoor ponds -- the functional bacteria in this case is carried by frogs. While fair to good results in treatment have been found by feeding Romet B., even better results have been found using injectable chloramphenicol or amakacin. This is best done by your veterinarian.

If parasites are a known cause, treat for them first for 3 days increasing the temperature to 86ºF as fast as possible.

EPSOM SALT may help reduce the internal pressure caused by the swelling. Extremely good aeration is necessary here due to the use of such high temperatures.

NEVER USE SALT (sodium chloride, a.k.a. aquarium salt) for treatment of dropsy. This will KILL your fish in a very short time. The affected fish are already having a difficult time getting rid of salts due to kidney dysfunction. This causes the blown up appearance and concurrent scale standing. The osmotic imbalance caused by addition of sodium to your tank water will make this condition far worse.

EPSOM SALT on the other hand, does not pass through the walls of the gut or gills and will extract water OUT of the surrounding tissue into the gut where it *may* be excreted.http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45617&highlight=oddball+bloat link for more info AND pics By the way... best of luck... i hope he will be okay.. you got to it right away so that should help..
 
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