Ebola round 2

[RD.]

Well one thing that we do know, is that the vaccine business is a mega million/billion $ business, which tends to be market driven and reactive, rather than proactive. So if BIG pharm sees $$$ signs at the end of the rainbow, they will push a vaccine out in record breaking time. How well it will work is yet to be determined ....

 

[skjl47]

Well one thing that we do know, is that the vaccine business is a mega million/billion $ business, which tends to be market driven and reactive, rather than proactive. So if BIG pharm sees $$$ signs at the end of the rainbow, they will push a vaccine out in record breaking time. How well it will work is yet to be determined ....

Hello; Yes I agree with and follow this statement. A big payday especially if they get liability immunity.

 

[skjl47]

Hello; Saw this today. A timeline story about the covid19 virus. The first documented evidence of an awareness of a new respiratory illness seems to be 12-30-2019. Doctor Li Wenliang wrote a text warning other doctors of a new respiratory virus. Considering this date, it seems reasonable to figure the virus was out in a community at least some number of days before this doctor wrote the text. I get that to go back more than a few days based on this information is indeed speculation. Also we cannot ask the doctor as he has passed.

I think I have seen an incubation period cited of maybe four or five days for those who actually show symptoms. But my speculation (guess if you wish) is for this doctor to see enough serious respiratory symptoms to become alarmed over then perhaps a few more days can be added to the back date. How many days back? I do not know. This doctor may have been very quick and sounded an alarm soonest.

In a sense of pure speculation it does not seem unreasonable to think there can have been earlier dates for the virus to be established in a population. How many days was a person or people sick before this doctor saw them and understood this was a new illness? I do not know and cannot make a solid case. I do still speculate the date may have been earlier for other reasons. But in the end this is just speculation on my part so far.

I include a link that follows.

From Wuhan to New York City: A timeline of COVID-19's spread

“Dec. 30, 2019: Chinese doctor sounds the alarm”

“Li Wenliang, a doctor working at Wuhan Central Hospital in Wuhan, China, sent out a text to a group of other doctors warning them to protect themselves against a new respiratory virus”

 

[Ulu]

We probably need the WHO more than we relalise, but it has become a pawn.

Doctors in Taiwan were being told by corresponding Wuhan doctors, about the high human-to-human transmissibility, weeks before the word got out here.

It was stifled.

Taiwan isn't allowed in the WHO because of heavy Chinese influence.
If the WHO is allowed in taiwan, it gets evicted from the mainland.

Nobody (particularly WHO) listened to the drs in Taiwan until it was weeks later, and the Chinese government made sure that Wuhan drs were censured and that WHO was misled.

 

[RD.]

The first documented evidence of an awareness of a new respiratory illness seems to be 12-30-2019.

Not that we will probably ever see it, but both American and Canadian intelligence have stated that they were aware of a new "sars" type flu circulating in Wuhan, in November of 2019.

If you haven't read the following, it's an interesting interview with Dr. Li Weliang in Wuhan regarding all of this, prior to his death. When I first read this what stuck out for me, was how young the doctor was, I expected someone more my age.

He Warned of Coronavirus. Here’s What He Told Us Before He Died. (Published 2020)

The death of a Chinese doctor who was silenced by the police for being one of the first to warn about the coronavirus set off an outpouring of grief and anger on social media. The New York Times interviewed him last week.

www.nytimes.com

 

[RD.]

Well until a vaccine appears on the scene, this is what I have been doing for the past few months.

Evidence that Vitamin D Supplementation Could Reduce Risk of Influenza and COVID-19 Infections and Deaths.

I also take magnesium to ensure that the D can be properly processed and available, and K2 (from Natto Bean) to help direct it to the proper areas, and help ensure that it doesn't result in hypercalcemia. I'm also prone to kidney stones, a rather unpleasant ordeal, so while I am hitting the D hard the last thing I want is it causing more problems than it is helping. There has been a lot of research involving vitamin D over the past several years, and one of the more recent studies demonstrated that D supplementation could help with reducing respiratory tract infections. Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections: systematic review and meta-analysis of individual participant data

And now that the sun is out, and it's actually warm enough in the northern hemisphere where I live, I am also getting as much D as I can from the best source out there - Mother Nature.

 

[skjl47]

Hello; Two topics today. One just an interesting happening. Went to Tractor Supply today for a pulley. Yes it is time to shop for a needed item. Just need to get some things done and have put some off too long already. I was in line standing on the red footprints which marked off the six foot interval. A woman got in line behind me way closer than six feet. I ask her to move back some. She asked why. Because of the virus that is making people sick I say. She claimed to not know anything about it. The stuff than has been in the news for over six weeks I say. She tells me she does not watch TV. I leave it at that as there was nothing else I could think to say.
The guy in line in front of me then told me how he saw a person wearing a mask who had cut out a hole around the mouth and nose area. Told him they did it so the y can breathe better. That was a new one to me. I have seen several with masks pulled down below the nose but not with a hole. Clearly a fundamental lack of understanding.

I guess in a way that first story in a lead in to this next bit. Just saw a news report predicting there will be an increase in the number of covid19 cases as people come out of lockdown. Duh?? That was in the cards from the start wasn't it. The initial idea was for us to isolate so the medical facilities could keep up with the demand and not be overrun with the very ill in a big rush. (flatten the curve)
I do get that the "experts" and leaders have moved the goal posts so to speak. That the impossible notion we can somehow continue in lock down for months and months is what they now push. I also get that many of us are very fearful and are willing to grasp for these unrealistic ideas.
To those who read a lot of sci-fi as I do you will know what this is. We need a "stasis" field. An imaginary field around a container that stops time for anything inside the container while time goes on outside the container. That would be the way to hide. However we do not have anything like that.
I will not rehash the reasons I think my country cannot stand a continued shutdown. Just that the shutdown will do as much and likely more damage than the virus for the vast majority of people. People are now getting out and about more sometimes against orders.
Today was the first news story throwing out "revised numbers" for the total deaths in the USA. Saying by being out and about more will be infected. Some basic logic to that using some assumptions that may not be totally supportable. The big assumption seems to be that the forced shutdowns of society and the self isolation has been the main reason why the very dire predictions of a few weeks ago did not happen in terms if numbers. That assumption very likely has some degree of accuracy. I am confident there are a number of us who have not yet been exposed to the virus and those folks can indeed become infected. I do have a few notions as to why things other than the shutdown and isolation have helped keep the death toll much reduced over the early predictions. More on that another time.

We have to open up the country and the world no matter what. I fear already much shutdown damage is done with more damage happening each day. Even if the very early predictions, which now do not seem likely, of over two million dead in the USA had come to be accurate, the country cannot continue to be shut down. In my position among the more vulnerable being 72 years old, I see things this way.

 

[pacu mom]

It has become a political issue. Some people would see our economy trashed if that's what it takes to get their way in the next election.

 

[skjl47]

It has become a political issue. Some people would see our economy trashed if that's what it takes to get their way in the next election.

Hello; Since I am under scrutiny for political discussion I will not make a response.
I will however comment on the expert who apparently had the greater influence in terms of causing the drastic shutdowns. Nigel Fergerson (sp) I believe. I think he may be a British pandemic expert. Anyway story I saw today is he called early on for the sort of massive shutdown type that was done in the city in China. Apparently he had enough influence to get shutdowns done in many countries.
Seems he caught the virus himself but did not follow the quarantine rules he pushed on everyone else. Seems he had a meeting with a married girlfriend during the time he was supposed to be in self isolation. I guess she then went back home to her husband after being around him. I did not get any details about her. Do not know if she got sick or if she carried the virus back home.
Unfortunately such stories of people in power positions not following the rules they set or broadcast for the rest of us are fairly common. Hair cuts, trips to a gym ( my gym is closed), trips to a second home and likely many more.

 

[skjl47]

Today was the first news story throwing out "revised numbers" for the total deaths in the USA.

Hello; It seems the reports from yesterday of a big jump in deaths ere not based on proper data. Apparently someone was playing with the data inputs in one of the computer models and put In the wrong data. Or more correctly may have left out some data information. Just another case of these models getting things wrong. Just too wrong since decisions with serious consequences have and are being made using these models.