EMERGENCY- please help!!!

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Will doing a water change harm my fish? I'm scared to now since this happened the day after I changed it. Could there be something wrong with my tap water? Should I add anything to the tank?
Also, I hate the filters that are on this tank. I have 2 of the tetra whisper filters and I despise them. I have 2 Aquaclear 50's that I ordered will be here Tuesday.
 
Hey Anna, read what I wrote in post #22 in the following thread. Same thing is happening to your tank and it's affecting the fish because of the sudden ph drop. Read the entire post.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/nitrates-160ppm.643941/page-3
I just re-read the entire thread and it is making more sense to me now. Basically, I have let the dissolved solids build up with too few water changes, which in turn raised the nitrates level, which lowered the kH and pH. This can deplete oxygen and shock the fish. Am I getting this right? Sorry, it's a little confusing to me but it's starting to come together now. Should I get the TDS pen? I do have kH and gH liquid test available to me and the kH was at 1. So that is pulling my pH down? So my plan is to do small daily water changes until everything becomes stable. Then increase my schedule to 2 water changes a week and see how that goes because I need to keep the dissolved solids down, right?
Again, thank you so much for your help and advice. I truly appreciate it and am grateful to be learning more about how to keep my fish healthy.
 
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Youre on the right track.

Some words of caution: When your new filters come dont just swap out the old ones, change out one for the AC then wait a month and swap the second.

Also for an idea on a successful water change regime, every single one of my private systems gets a 75% water change each week. Sometimes the cichla get one in the middle of the week two depending on how much food i had to dump in there to satiate them....
 
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Should I get the TDS pen? I do have kH and gH liquid test available to me and the kH was at 1. So that is pulling my pH down? So my plan is to do small daily water changes until everything becomes stable. Then increase my schedule to 2 water changes a week and see how that goes because I need to keep the dissolved solids down, right?

Yes, yes, and yes, to all your questions. I think you got it perfectly right.

Start with small daily water changes to slowly alter the water back to your tap. A TDS pen would be great as it's easier to aid you during the process. Depending on your situation, I think anything not above 70-80ppm change downwards or upwards daily is not an issue but you need to reach a point where there isn't much more than 40ppm between your tank and tap at any given time long term. You can do first daily 20% water changes, then slowly increase until you reach a point when you can do large 50-60 and even 70% water changes at once if needs to keep that Ph up and not falling. Keep in mind that when you start slow at 20% daily, it may take weeks until you can rush it up to 50% or more. You have to figure what it takes for your tank to stay stable....It's different for individual tanks. But you don't have to do daily water changes long term, just reach the point when any large water change won't harm your fish at any given time. That's the point when your tap and tank don't differ TDS wise by much at all, a safety level is 40-80ppm even but I'd aim at as low as you can achieve long term.

Your Kh is low and as you thought is part of the problem. Kh is carbonate hardness and it's a buffer which keeps your Ph stable. When Kh gets low as that, your Ph goes all over the place. It drops when water changes are not done, it goes up when water changes are done. You need to get to a point when that doesn't happen and the Ph is linear.

Test your tap water. If you have very low Kh from the tap also, you have two options: Large regular water changes or get some crushed coral, put it in a bag as media and in your filters. Then do at least 50% water change weekly long term but after you slowly start with the small water changes as I initially explained. Or just try to find the balance between keeping the Kh close to your tap and at least 2dhg, and the TDS should always be no more than 40ppm ppm difference(that's my personal target I've found useful over the years) and even a bit bigger margin is acceptable. Don't let it increase over time to a difference in a couple of hundreds for example.

It takes a bit of learning, trial and error but if you keep the stats stable, your fish will be fine long term.

For me that takes one 50% water change weekly on a well stocked tank. So not such a big problem. With less stocked tanks, even less can do. The point is to find your "balance".
 
Also, the fish that were already weakened, may keep suffering and possibly die prematurely of one thing or another because of the long term stress they experienced. It's the same as people with health issues caused by environmental problems. But once you start maintaining your tank to a standard you can measure, any new fish or surviving fish with strong immune systems, will flourish long term and reach their life spans.
What you have now is time of changes. So unfortunately I can't say your current fish will reach full life spans but any fish you add that were unexposed to long term stress as this will start thriving.
 
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Youre on the right track.

Some words of caution: When your new filters come dont just swap out the old ones, change out one for the AC then wait a month and swap the second.

Also for an idea on a successful water change regime, every single one of my private systems gets a 75% water change each week. Sometimes the cichla get one in the middle of the week two depending on how much food i had to dump in there to satiate them....
Thanks! I was worried about switching filters and losing my biological media. Do you think it would be okay to take the sponges out of the old filters and place them in the new filter to try to save the bacteria?
 
Also, the fish that were already weakened, may keep suffering and possibly die prematurely of one thing or another because of the long term stress they experienced. It's the same as people with health issues caused by environmental problems. But once you start maintaining your tank to a standard you can measure, any new fish or surviving fish with strong immune systems, will flourish long term and reach their life spans.
What you have now is time of changes. So unfortunately I can't say your current fish will reach full life spans but any fish you add that were unexposed to long term stress as this will start thriving.
Thank you so much for your help! I figured the fish in there now have suffered a lot of stress and might have problems in the future due to this. I feel so bad that I caused this. But I guess there is nothing to do now but learn from it and never repeat this mistake. I truly appreciate all of your help. You are a true lifesaver. I'm relatively new to this hobby, I know basics but I'm still learning. Unfortunately, I don't have a great LFS near me that I can trust for advice, so I come here when I need help. I know a lot of things have to be learned just from experience also, I'm hoping to one day become a great fish keeper.
 
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The important thing is you saw it and sought help, you and your tanks will steadily continue to improve because you have the right attitude towards fish keeping, good luck going forward from here
 
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Do not feel bad. We have all killed fish one way or another. Unfortunately I've killed my big share too. I started keeping them as a kid when I knew nothing and there was no internet or even easily accessible books at the time. Poor fish, it haunts my memory.....
 
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This is why I do 90% water changes. If somethings is wrong with my tank two of my water changes are usually enough to correct the problem and save the fish.

But don't do a drastic water change if the fish aren't used to it, I've seen many people kill fish this way. Just start to increase the amount of water you actually change weekly and they'll easily adapt. So if you do 20% water changes a week bump it up to 30% the next then 40% the week after that and they should be fine.

But make sure that the water you put back in is the same temp and your golden. And don;t feel too bad! We've all killed our share of fish haha.
 
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