emergency water change

[Jc1119]

next morning update

fish 5/5 all alive
turtles = happy

gonna float over the two big comets soon

Good to hear. Just go slow and you should be fine. With all that extra decor in there already seeded with bb you should go through a small short cycle and the fish in there now should be able to handle it. Highly recommend the seachem stability for situations like yours

 

[adellababe]

Good to hear. Just go slow and you should be fine. With all that extra decor in there already seeded with bb you should go through a small short cycle and the fish in there now should be able to handle it. Highly recommend the seachem stability for situations like yours

Will definitely have to get it for emergency situations like this!

 

[Clay]

Got tired of reading nonsense posts, so I skipped to the end.

For the future: PVC glue and primer is all that is necessary for pvc joints.

For right now: If you want to return your water to a clear state, run activated carbon and a filter sock (or some other fine mechanical filtration). Activated carbon will neutralize most chemical reaction by absorbing and bonding. Mechanical filtration will catch the particulate matter suspended in the water column.

 

[Jc1119]

Lol. Yeah you probably should have read the whole thread. Nothing nonsense about trying to keep their fish alive after they cleaned their filter and drained ( and ckeaned)the whole tank.

The glue wasn't used for a PVC joint , it was used on a decoration and even though carbon can eliminate suspended particulate it will do little to help her through her cycling process being they had no functioning biofilter ( as well as lowering o2 levels) Nothing carbon can do that fresh clean water wont do better in this instance.
Thanks for the help though!

 

[Clay]

Lol. Yeah you probably should have read the whole thread. Nothing nonsense about trying to keep their fish alive after they cleaned their filter and drained ( and ckeaned)the whole tank.

The glue wasn't used for a PVC joint , it was used on a decoration and even though carbon can eliminate suspended particulate it will do little to help her through her cycling process being they had no functioning biofilter ( as well as lowering o2 levels) Nothing carbon can do that fresh clean water wont do better in this instance.
Thanks for the help though!

Mechanical filtration will remove particulate matter. Not carbon.
Carbon will filter and neutralize most chemicals. Not mechanical.

Hope that helps.

 

[Jc1119]

Mechanical filtration will remove particulate matter. Not carbon.
Carbon will filter and neutralize most chemicals. Not mechanical.

Hope that helps.

Helps plenty but what's that got to do with a 55 gallon tank full of new water with no chemicals in it and an xp2 with no biofilter? The 10 gallon you saw in the pics( if you'd cared to look) had all of the 55s inhabitants in it as a temporary home. Easier, cheaper and more beneficial to change the water in the 10 as opposed to using carbon. In addition, the 55 had bags if ammocarb in it already, but I suppose you didn't read that part either.

I understand how carbon works. Use it in all my tanks for certain things( including chemical absorption and small particulate removal ) but I'd really like you to expain to me what carbon is going to do for biofiltration, which is the actual problem at hand, not the cloudy water in the temporary tank?


In my 36 years of fishkeeping I've never been able to use carbon to stop a minicycle, which IS going to happen to their main tank. Carbon is a wonderful tool, but it will do nothing that a water change can't do faster and cheaper in this case.

Spiltting hairs over the wrong tools job and skipping to the end of the story without knowing the details is the only nonsense here.

 

[Clay]

1. Not sure where I implied carbon would replace bio filtration? But hey, w/e. As far as bio media is concerned, it's highly doubtful there is no bacteria available to process ammonia, unless the OP went through the process of painstakingly bleaching, salting, or drying out the media for a few days. Other than that, it's mostly still there. But that isn't what she said. She said she removed the problem pvc and washed the gravel. No worries there (assuming common sense was used).

2. Cloudy water due to breakdown of the glue (per OPs post) is a situation that WOULD be helped by carbon. Not sure anyone can really argue with that. Milky white water would imply a chemical reaction in the water to me...

3. Suggestion for mechanical filtration is based on the particulate that may be in the tank from the Loctite glue breakdown. This lead to my comment about the future - pvc should be held together with primer and pvc glue. It's the easiest and safest method. While Loctite epoxy is safe, it appears that there was a problem with this application. So for safety's sake in the future, etc, etc.

4. Suggesting using fish to cycle a tank is archaic and one of the worst ideas in this thread (in my opinion, of course). In the event that the tank and filtration was stripped clean or in a new setup, adding organic material to rot or even better, ammonia dosing is the fastest, safest, and most humane process.

Congratulations on your 36 years of fish keeping. They seem very important to you. One day I'll have 36 years, and they'll be important to me. But by then you'll have 46, and you'll be more proud of them.

 

[Jc1119]

1. Not sure where I implied carbon would replace bio filtration? But hey, w/e. As far as bio media is concerned, it's highly doubtful there is no bacteria available to process ammonia, unless the OP went through the process of painstakingly bleaching, salting, or drying out the media for a few days. Other than that, it's mostly

still there. But that isn't what she said. She said she removed the problem pvc and washed the gravel. No worries there (assuming common sense was used).

2. Cloudy water due to breakdown of the glue (per OPs post) is a situation that WOULD be helped by carbon. Not sure anyone can really argue with that. Milky white water would imply a chemical reaction in the water to me...

3. Suggestion for mechanical filtration is based on the particulate that may be in the tank from the Loctite glue breakdown. This lead to my comment about the future - pvc should be held together with primer and pvc glue. It's the easiest and safest method. While Loctite epoxy is safe, it appears that there was a problem with this application. So for safety's sake in the future, etc, etc.

4. Suggesting using fish to cycle a tank is archaic and one of the worst ideas in this thread (in my opinion, of course). In the event that the tank and filtration was stripped clean or in a new setup, adding organic material to rot or even better, ammonia dosing is the fastest, safest, and most humane process.

Congratulations on your 36 years of fish keeping. They seem very important to you. One day I'll have 36 years, and they'll be important to me. But by then you'll have 46, and you'll be more proud of them.

1) there IS no biomedia in the filter. If you had read further you would have caught that part. Only sponges and...... drumroll please, carbon.... Which I suggested she leave in the tank to make room for the bio she should add

2) there is no more milky white water in the 55 because it was drained and refilled. Only milky water was in the 10. How long does it take to do a water change in a 10 gallon tank? Im sure way longer then it would take to drive to the petstore to buy more carbon which was closed at 10:30 last night

3)Your assessment of future PVC glue is spot on.

4) I absolutely agree that cycling with fish is a bad idea, but what would you suggest she does with all of the fish from the 55 she already has packed into the 10 gallon temporay home. Ideal, absolutely not, but seeing as no petstore was open at 10:30 last night and no functioning biofilter in either tank besides the tank decorations, tell me what would have been your suggestion? Leave all the fish in the 10 gallon( with no filter) till you could properly cycle the 55. Sounds like a great plan. Really healthy for the fish which included danios, platies, comets, cories, turtles and a gourami


Which brings me full circle to your first statement ........ "you got tired of reading nonsense posts so you skipped to the end." If I have learned anything in all my years of helping people get out of a pickle when it comes to keeping fish, it's to listen to ALL of the information before jumping to conclusions and making ill- informed decisions. That's the only thing I'm proud of. But I'm sure this situation is nothing some carbon and filter sock won't fix.