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So you're arguing that no one should be concerned about a hate crime against someone because there are more deadly crimes occurring at the same time?

If you're so concerned about reducing gun violence in Chicago, what do you recommend?

And what does this have to do with Mr. Smollett... other than, of course, trying to minimize the gravity of his attack?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

4 murders between feb 1st and feb 4th.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwib0sfPgKXgAhURhuAKHUVaAvEQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-weekend-shootings-jan-25-26-27-28-gun-violence/&psig=AOvVaw01z6su_JF5RnSeB8mc0Eim&ust=1549470249086749&cshid=1549383847501174


"At least eight people were wounded and none were killed in citywide shootings this weekend, marking the year’s first weekend with no reported gun homicides"

All of this but hollywood and the masses are up in arms because this guy has a scratch on his face. Even if it is true.... i think he'll be fine
 
Explain...

It's bad for people to support a victim of a hate crime on social media because it could "trigger" people who support hate crimes or people who want to deny that hate crimes are a problem?!

Or are you referring to the social media aftermath that spewed racism, homophobia and vitriol as part of a concerted effort to portray Mr. Smollett - and by extension other victims of hate crimes - as frauds?

The social media aftermath is. Their killing people in droves in Chicago way before this even happened. What makes this guy so special?
 
Of course. If - and there's no evidence of this - Mr. Smollett is crying wolf, he should be punished.

That doesn't mean that there hasn't been a significant increase in hate crimes...

Just another way to create division among the sheep.

Personally I don't give a rip. However, if he is crying wolf then he needs to be punished for it. Theres way too many false claims these days with zero repercussions. Of course if someone did use non staining bleach and beat him then they need their punishment as well.
 
Explain...

It's bad for people to support a victim of a hate crime on social media because it could "trigger" people who support hate crimes or people who want to deny that hate crimes are a problem?!

Or are you referring to the social media aftermath that spewed racism, homophobia and vitriol as part of a concerted effort to portray Mr. Smollett - and by extension other victims of hate crimes - as frauds?

What does any of that have to do with just another person getting attacked in Chicago?
 
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Of course. If - and there's no evidence of this - Mr. Smollett is crying wolf, he should be punished.

That doesn't mean that there hasn't been a significant increase in hate crimes...

Theres been a significant increase in crime period.
 
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The alleged pattern you see of hoaxes is self-fulfilling and perpetuated by bias.

Meanwhile, here are some real trends backed by real data:
Hate crimes are up in America's 10 largest cities. Here's why
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/17/hate-crimes-up-america-10-largest-cities/776721002/

All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism, according to new report
https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1


Smh. Alleged pattern. You don't want to see the pattern. Why? Because if hoaxes are up your whole study is a pos. Hoaxes are only uncovered when people investigate. (As in mainstream reporting) If reports are up, I want to know investigations are up. Now imE I'm finding any doubt about this or any card puller, makes me a bigot?? Do I think this may hinder investigations, yep.
 
So you're arguing that no one should be concerned about a hate crime against someone because there are more deadly crimes occurring at the same time?

If you're so concerned about reducing gun violence in Chicago, what do you recommend?

And what does this have to do with Mr. Smollett... other than, of course, trying to minimize the gravity of his attack?

1) no, only that they shouldnt be treated any different then crimes or violence not categorized as hate crimes

2) im not qualified to figure out how to stop it. Also any of my ideas would get the thread locked. Im no internet warrior, i dont have a soap box. I put my money where my mouth is and moved my family out of a big city because of these crimes

3) he has a scratch. When compared to what could have happened ? Yes i am minimizing it. Not condoning it. Two very different things.

Or are you referring to the social media aftermath that spewed racism, homophobia and vitriol as part of a concerted effort to portray Mr. Smollett - and by extension other victims of hate crimes - as frauds?

So we are racist and homophobes because we are questioning the truth his story based on the facts given ?
 
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Can you find a credible source that says that there's a a growing trend of people faking hate crimes? I'll be the first to admit that there have been unfortunate (and counterproductive) incidents. But they don't make a trend.

On the other hand, the FBI and ADL and other credible sources report trends of more hate crimes and domestic extremist killings.

Smh. Alleged pattern. You don't want to see the pattern. Why? Because if hoaxes are up your whole study is a pos. Hoaxes are only uncovered when people investigate. (As in mainstream reporting) If reports are up, I want to know investigations are up. Now imE I'm finding any doubt about this or any card puller, makes me a bigot?? Do I think this may hinder investigations, yep.
 
Can you find a credible source that says that there's a a growing trend of people faking hate crimes? I'll be the first to admit that there have been unfortunate (and counterproductive) incidents. But they don't make a trend.

On the other hand, the FBI and ADL and other credible sources report trends of more hate crimes and domestic extremist killings.

How is he going to find a credible source ? The media buries it after the shock value diminishes. The fibers are hardly ever charge.

Though i am super excited that the teens from the christian school involved with that whole fiasco are now looking to sue for libel. More power to them !
 
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Well, I guess you disagree with the law...because that's why we have hate crime laws.

Maybe we should dismiss or minimize attempted murder...you know because the person wasn't actually murdered...and we should criticize and mock them because the bullets missed?!

Ways to reduce Chicago's gun violence are right in front of us and entirely legal. There's too much disinformation being spread and there just isn't enough political will to address it. Reality is that most guns used in Chicago come from places with lax gun laws like Indiana: "Here’s how it works: Chicago requires a Firearm Owner Identification card, background check, three-day waiting period, and documentation for all firearm sales. But Indiana doesn’t require any of this for purchases between two private individuals — including those at gun shows and those who meet through the internet — allowing even someone with a criminal record to buy a firearm without passing a background check or submitting paperwork recording the sale.

So someone from Chicago can drive across the border — to Indiana or to other places with lax gun laws — and buy a gun without any of the big legal hurdles he would face at home. Then that person can resell or give guns to others in Chicago or keep them, leaving no paper trail behind. (This is illegal trafficking under federal law, but Indiana’s lax laws and enforcement — particularly the lack of a paper trail — make it impossible to catch someone until a gun is used in a crime.)

This isn’t a problem exclusive to Chicago or even the US. A 2016 report from the New York State Office of the Attorney General found that 74 percent of guns used in crimes in New York between 2010 and 2015 came from states with lax gun laws. (The gun trafficking chain from Southern states with weak gun laws to New York is so well-known it even has a name: “the Iron Pipeline.”) And another 2016 report from the US Government Accountability Office found that most of the guns — as much as 70 percent — used in crimes in Mexico, which has strict gun laws, can be traced back to the US, which has generally weaker gun laws.

This pipeline makes it impossible for states to stop the flow of guns used in crimes within their borders, since the root of the problem lies in other jurisdictions. The only way the pipeline could be stopped, then, is if all states individually strengthen their gun laws or if the federal government passes a law that enforces stricter rules, from universal background checks like Chicago’s to mandatory gun buyback programs like Australia’s, across all states.

The evidence suggests this could help: Time and time again, researchers have found that where there are more guns and more access to guns, there are more gun deaths."

1) no, only that they shouldnt be treated any different then crimes or violence not categorized as hate crimes

2) im not qualified to figure out how to stop it. Also any of my ideas would get the thread locked. Im no internet warrior, i dont have a soap box. I put my money where my mouth is and moved my family out of a big city because of these crimes

3) he has a scratch. When compared to what could have happened ? Yes i am minimizing it. Not condoning it. Two very different things.



So we are racist and homophobes because we are questioning the truth his story based on the facts given ?
 
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