Ethical Piranha posting - wheres the line?

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Diogenes;3857409; said:
I think it's fairly simple. If you are feeding it live fish because you are deriving some sort of sadistic pleasure from the spectacle, then that is unethical.

If you feed your fish live food because you think your fish actually benefits from it in some way, then that can be ethical, as long as some common sense guidelines are followed. Make sure that whatever you are feeding it dies quickly, and as painlessly as possible, it's an appropriate size, et cetera. Try and give it a decent life for as long as you can. Unnecessary suffering is just unnecessary.

Generally everyone who feeds their fish live foods know which category their feeding falls into.

Also, when someone is trying to cohab a fish and it gets killed, that's more or less an experiment which is largely unnecessary simply because anyone can tell you that P's don't make good tankmates, but even if someone tries it and they sincerely are attempting to break new ground, then I would say that's an accident and thus ethical.

If 15 people on MFK tell you that your rhom shouldn't be kept with 4 other rhoms in a 125 and you do it anyway, then that's a conscious decision that you made, and thus probably unethical.

Generally, in moral philosophy, you are only responsible for those decisions that you make intentionally of your own free will, and not responsible for things that occur beyond your control. If you're honest with yourself, you know what your intentions were.

If you're on MFK, P-fury, or other associated sites, you really can't plead ignorance when stuff gets killed in your P tank. If you've ever read a page worth of posts, someone told you what the general consensus for ethical piranha keeping consists of.

The reason P keepers are so up-in-arms about unethical practices is because piranhas already have a terrible reputation, and these fish are abused more than probably any other fish besides the goldfish in home aquaria.
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enough said.

great post diogenes


Alot of people would watch a piranha eat a live feeder strictly for their own entertainment (and if this is you someone needs to kick you in the nuts really hard to make sure you never breed). But if your feeding your piranhas or any fish live food becuase you feel it is improving the diet of the fish (which it can if its not a goldfish and is properly quarantined/ bred yourself.) than all the power to you. When ever i watch my piranhas feed i dont enjoy watching them shread their food item apart i enjoy knowing that their strong feeding response is indicative of their good health(i dont feed live as of yet) and their good health is because im giving them a well rounded diet and good water parameters



Let's not even get into rats/mice that is completely unethical IMO because YOU ARE NOT improving their diet whatsoever. You are being a sadistic S.O.B. just sitting their and enjoying the piranhas rip that poor thing apart and for no other reason than to satisfy your own sadism stemming from the fact you probably have a very small penis(LOL jks)



tankmates are another story. Every knowledgable person on this forum knows that whenever you are keeping a piranha with any other fish you are taking a risk. And most people who are keeping their piranhas with tankmates either 1 are ignorant and think it will work indefinatly or 2 realise it probably wont work long term but keep them with fish that have very little monetary or personal value and are easy to replace if mishaps occur
 
mfgl;3857837; said:
Kurt Cobain said its ok to eat fish cause they dont have any feelings.
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he was right about it being okay to eat fish, and wrong about them not having feelings. They don't have a cerebrum and therefore can't form the same emotional responses that higher life forms do, but they do have some primitive feelings like pain, fear (more like flight?), hunger, sexual stimulation, aggression.


...he also said "rape me" rather emphatically...soooooo.....
 
Do as you wish, it's your fish. Just if your going to tell the masses that you just fed a silver aro to your 15 piranha's expect some heat otherwise don't tell us that particular subject. I don't like how everywhere everyone has to know every detail or butt into each other's lives.Their your fish, do as you wish but like I said if your going to tell the masses expect some heat.
 
Diogenes;3857861; said:
he was right about it being okay to eat fish, and wrong about them not having feelings. They don't have a cerebrum and therefore can't form the same emotional responses that higher life forms do, but they do have some primitive feelings like pain, fear (more like flight?), hunger, sexual stimulation, aggression.


...he also said "rape me" rather emphatically...soooooo.....
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LMAO
 
I was going to respond to this thread, but I've got to go feed my dog its natural diet of live baby elk. What? I don't care what YOU think. It's MY dog!


j/k

Diogenes nailed it!
 
cchhcc;3857883; said:
I was going to respond to this thread, but I've got to go feed my dog its natural diet of live baby elk. What? I don't care what YOU think. It's MY dog!


j/k

Diogenes nailed it!
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Feeder elks! Great idea. I'mma have to pick some up in the morning
 
All I know is people that buy large toothy predators and feed them pellets kill me.

I guess for me its a respect issue. If you want to keep predators let them predate.

There is not a single piranha owner in the world that can truthfully say that they bought there P's cause they were the prettiest fish in the store.

So respect what the creator and or evolution made your fish and try your best to feed the fish something as close to its natural diet as you can.

Any other choice is highly unethical. IMO

And that goes for ANY pure breed wild caught animal. Whether it be a bengal tiger, a black bear , a green sunfish, large mouth bass, rbp,rhom, or wolf (k-9) and wolf fish.
 
I agree for the most part. However I think one thing has been overlooked - Yes feeding Mammilia is unethical for the Piranha as they can not breakdown the fats, it will build up and in access, kill the Piranha. The insulting of those who do, is unethical posting. Education is what is needed. You all helped improve my fishkeeping skills thru education. Cyprinide are no longer part of any of my over 100 fishes diets. Imitation crab meat is no longer a staple, and list goes on...but I might have never learned these things if I was made made out to be an idiot. And ya............I was/am shocked at the amount of ppl whose largest tank is 55-75 gal on MFK. However I remember my 1st 55, it was a big tank to me at the time and led to tanks larger than 4x it's size.
 
I dont have any issues with live feeding, I wouldnt feed a mouse or a rat just due to the bone,hair,guts getting into my tank. maybe a pinky...I dont put prey fish out of their misery because as long as they arent bleeding out, if they are alive they arent rotting and my rhom eats slow. Just because your watching it doesnt make it unethical or make you a serial killer. We watch nature shows about big cats and the like for this specific reason. It is awesome to see nature in action, to me never letting a predator fish kill something is akin to declawing an outside cat. I think its better for the fishes health just from the fish/reptiles Ive owned. after a while of shrimps and filets my rhom gets very aggro attacking the glass, the cat, giving me dirty looks while I try to watch TV... after hes killed a decent sized convict he swims around calmy like an Oscar for a few days.

PS. watching a monitor lizard eat a rat is much sicker then any of the fish Ive seen doing it in videos.
 
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