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[japes]

But thats the thing, the petition is not pointless. It will be used to fight against the dam being built. It is a small piece of the puzzle, but important still. You are taking a very immature approach to this to be totally honest.

C'mon guys, please sign the petition, we need 10,000 signatures. Your help can secure the safety of these precious animals.

No and no. As previously stated 10000 signatures, the majority of which will come from overseas citizens on a website is not going to sway a government that already has production underway.

I'm being immature because I see the futility in what you're trying to do. I'm not for the dam but I'm really not against it either, I'm just being realistic.

 

[Cammo X]

You guys are idiots

"so what if we destroy habitiats it helps us fish"
What if we ever actually find aliens and they say
"so what if we kill all the humans we have another planet"

Seriously Guys

You know this is the kinda behavior and thinkning that is sending the planet down the drain

yeah a petition might not do much but at least we try

we all have our different viwes on different subjects.

habitat destruction is the main cause!, but a dam on the river may benefit in the long run, when we have loads of other lungs and cod, but not sure bout the turtles, but the zoo is breeding succefully so there is hope. if this actually goes to plan its not gonna toatally wipe out these species of that area, who knows they may even be able to get into the dam some how, like the turtles, and im sure the lungs will find there way in somehow as they are virtually everywhere.

its not just about the fishing, Water Restrictions! SEQ (south east queensland) is on level 6 restrictions, that is the very highest we can go, we cant even use a hose to wash anything, we can water the garden only on permitted days for an hour a week, we are in desperate need of water! i think a new dam will help alot!

we may be terrorising the habitat to make life easier,but i think its gonna help SEQ alot in the long run, and that is better than having a couple of lungs, cod, or even turtles die, when we have plenty of others (except for the turtle) not everything is about lungfish.

Cammo X

 

[~THEO~]

we all have our different viwes on different subjects.

habitat destruction is the main cause!, but a dam on the river may benefit in the long run, when we have loads of other lungs and cod, but not sure bout the turtles, but the zoo is breeding succefully so there is hope. if this actually goes to plan its not gonna toatally wipe out these species of that area, who knows they may even be able to get into the dam some how, like the turtles, and im sure the lungs will find there way in somehow as they are virtually everywhere.

its not just about the fishing, Water Restrictions! SEQ (south east queensland) is on level 6 restrictions, that is the very highest we can go, we cant even use a hose to wash anything, we can water the garden only on permitted days for an hour a week, we are in desperate need of water! i think a new dam will help alot!

we may be terrorising the habitat to make life easier,but i think its gonna help SEQ alot in the long run, and that is better than having a couple of lungs, cod, or even turtles die, when we have plenty of others (except for the turtle) not everything is about lungfish.

Cammo X

This is the stupidest post yet! Get educated on the subject, and stop pretending you know so much. The Mary River turtle can only be found in one area, the Mary River. The Mary River Turtle females go to one stretch of bank on the Mary river that, if the dam goes ahead will be 20
METERES UNDER WATER. This dam WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR THEM. The Mary River Turtle WILL NOT ADAPT! What is with this attidude of playing guess and see with an endangered species...?!?!?! This is an endangered species for crying out loud... AN ENDANGERED SPECIES!

So what you are saying by you post is that you would rather have an easy life of watering your garden, washing your car, hosing down your driveway then really look at the facts and worry about something that is happening in your very backyard? Very unAustralian of you mate!

Now to everyone complaining that this online petition is futile. Do you seriously think that this will be the only plan of attack? I didn't start this petition, it was started by Craig latta of AFTCRA (Australian Freshwater Conservation and Research Association). There are differnt groups of people dedicated to consercation of the Mary River Turtle, but none more dedicated then Craig. To be taken seriously you need a petition. A serious petition has no less the 10k signatutes. A petition with signatures from ALL OVER THE WORLD shows world interest. A think signatures saying that the world is giving support over just queenslanders is much more impressive in my view.

Japes, there is no excuse for being immature. Grow up! if you are only here to cause grief to people TRYING to make a difference for the good of some helpless animals, please step back and take a look at yourself. Again, GROW UP! You don't like the example BIGMONSTER gave you...? how about this one. So what if we destroy habitats of the Tasmanian Tiger, they kill our sheep, plus we have them in captivity. Now tell me you wouldn't rather have a few dead sheep then Australias most famous extict animal still alive.

To EVERYONE that has signed and shown support, THANK YOU with all my heart. This online petition alone won't stop the dam being built like stated by some, but it WILL HELP. It will be used as evidence that there is support, from all over the world.
If you don't want to help, then don't, simple. But if you want to look back and say I helped, I did something. I am willing to take the time to show that I care about an endangered species then definitly do. It takes 30 seconds and the world will be better of from having you in it.

lastly, for all that care to indulge in a bit of extra information on this subject, you can find everything you would want at this site:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=236437877

 

[japes]

Personally I think you're being just as immature with your biased views on all the negatives of the dam and none of the positives.

I would absolutely love to see the look on the politicians faces when they read this petition.

 

[~THEO~]

Personally I think you're being just as immature with your biased views on all the negatives of the dam and none of the positives.

I would absolutely love to see the look on the politicians faces when they read this petition.

The major negative is the IMMENENT EXTINCTION OF THE MARY RIVER TURTLE. That should be it, case closed, and this conversation shouldn't even be taking place. So okay, tell me some positives... give it your best shot. You are totally uneducated on this topic and your attitude proves that. If you really knew the facts, not just what the government or your parents are telling you then you would be singing a different tune.

And I would absolutely love to have the chance to give my 2 cents to the politicians. Do you even know what politicians are involved...? or are you completely naive to that also. I would love to talk to Peter Garrett and tell him what i think. I would love to meet Senator Bob Brown and congratulate him on his involvment thus far. Don't pretend like you know me, that you think that i don't have my own personal view on this and that i don;t have a backbone. I am not a sheep trying to keep up with the flock unlike yourself.

 

[dirtyminded]

No petition is going to stop this though.

A petition on a website signed by a high population of overseas citizens has absolutely no sway in the matter, quit wasting your time.

Now, we're not idiots for opposing something that's going through either way. If you lived in this region you would realise how utterly futile an online petition signed by Americans really is. Drive to Gympie, which is a closest city of where the Traveston Dam is to be built and there are signs every 50m of highway opposing this, as well as many local community petitions I'm sure, none of which are having any influence.

You are a fool if you believe this petition is the last or only measure of defence being taken in response to the proposal of the Traveston Dam. This petition is no more an effort to save the Mary River than it is an educational tool to raise awareness. In my opinion, education is the key to any success in conservation & especially in the case of the Mary River turtle being as very few people are even aware of its existence. If just one of the many people who signed the petition as a result of this thread take the time to read & understand the issue then it has proven worth its while. If it's such a waste of time, why are you investing so much effort in refuting the matter? Perhaps you're not as confident as you're making out.

The real problem is loss of habbitat. Where do all the juvenile lungfish, cod and turtles go? I am wondering if this super dam might actually be a good thing for these species?

If you consider their prime nesting bank being put under 20m of water a good thing, then yeah, you probably would come to that ridiculous conclusion. You obviously have little to no idea about Mary River turtles otherwise you would have realised that destroying the prime breeding ground of any species constitutes as habitat destruction. Perhaps you should look at understanding all of the facts before you make uneducated guesses on a subject you clearly no very little about.

the turtle is the only one i would be worryed about.

this could be beneficial to the fish and turtles if thus goes ahead, its more of a trial and error, but if it did happen i recon it would be fine.

im not gonna sign the petition thing, as i think another dam would be great with water supply and fishing in the coming years, as i am a major fisherman.

i dont care if i get flamed

Yes, let's play russian roullette with every endangered species in the world & see how many we have left at the end of the day. That is the most educated, well-thought of post yet!

we are in desperate need of water! i think a new dam will help alot!

we may be terrorising the habitat to make life easier,but i think its gonna help SEQ alot in the long run, and that is better than having a couple of lungs, cod, or even turtles die, when we have plenty of others (except for the turtle)

but not sure bout the turtles

Oh Cammo X, you win! Who could argue with such a high degree of vast & infinite wisdom.

not everything is about lungfish.

Hey, you're right again! It's not about Lungfish. But if you had bothered to actually read what you were referring to, Cammo, you may have noticed that the petition is in fact pertaining largely to the Mary River Turtle.

Dumb, much?


I'm not refuting the fact that the Dam will help the water crisis. And unlike all three of you, I'm not neglecting to see the other side of the fence. I understand something must be done about Queensland's water crisis. Something should have been done many, many years ago. The key issue here is the extreme affects the dam will have on an Endangered Species & why alternative measures are not being considered.

This is merely a case of the Queensland Government looking at the cheapest available option with a complete disregard for the last remaining habitat of an endangered species.

 

[Yanbbrox]

I would sign but know nothing of the area so I'll read up first. If it's anything like the uk then politicians tend to 'invent' this sort of thing to make the public 'think' they have a say in the way there country is run..... and then do it anyway...

When I've read up I'll sign if the cause is worth it, good luck on your campaign..

Y

 

[~THEO~]

Dirtyminded, I could not have worded it better myself. I totally agree that if this petition even only raises awareness then it is an invaluable tool.

 

[dirtyminded]

I would sign but know nothing of the area so I'll read up first. If it's anything like the uk then politicians tend to 'invent' this sort of thing to make the public 'think' they have a say in the way there country is run..... and then do it anyway...

When I've read up I'll sign if the cause is worth it, good luck on your campaign..

Y

Thanks, Yanbbrox. That is the kind of attitude that will make a difference.

 

[~THEO~]

Thanks, Yanbbrox. That is the kind of attitude that will make a difference.

Exactly what i was gonna say. I urge everyone to do the same if they feel they don't know enough. Yanbbrox, read the link to the petition and the link to AFTCRA and you will be more then educated.