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[japes]

You are a fool if you believe this petition is the last or only measure of defence being taken in response to the proposal of the Traveston Dam. This petition is no more an effort to save the Mary River than it is an educational tool to raise awareness. In my opinion, education is the key to any success in conservation & especially in the case of the Mary River turtle being as very few people are even aware of its existence. If just one of the many people who signed the petition as a result of this thread take the time to read & understand the issue then it has proven worth its while. If it's such a waste of time, why are you investing so much effort in refuting the matter? Perhaps you're not as confident as you're making out.

Signed up just for this thread I see. I've said numerous times that I'm neither for nor against the dam so I fail to see how confidence plays into this argument at all. The 'tool' in question is the result of someone pretending to give a crap about about the environment and the SEQ Watergrid/Traveston Dam was the most blatantly obvious thing to point at a stick at because god forbid, animals are involved.

Want to make a difference? Start an online petition (lol) to change our immigration laws so cities like Brisbane aren't growing at such an alarming exponential rate. Better yet, jump in your time machine and do it 15 years ago, and while you're at it you can lobby for the government to be prepared for drought instead of leaving it as late as they have.

My suggestion to you is, if you like drinking and using water, stop being such an antagonizing greeny. Level 6 restrictions in Brisbane would indicate that there isn't enough water to go around if the drought, which personally I think has broken anyway, continues. No matter where you put another Dam, you're destroying habitat, wildlife, nesting areas, the list goes on.

None of this stops an online petition full of 'omg I know that fish, save it!' signatures being useless, whether it's educational and informative or not.

 

[~THEO~]

Signed up just for this thread I see. I've said numerous times that I'm neither for nor against the dam so I fail to see how confidence plays into this argument at all. The 'tool' in question is the result of someone pretending to give a crap about about the environment and the SEQ Watergrid/Traveston Dam was the most blatantly obvious thing to point at a stick at because god forbid, animals are involved.

Want to make a difference? Start an online petition (lol) to change our immigration laws so cities like Brisbane aren't growing at such an alarming exponential rate. Better yet, jump in your time machine and do it 15 years ago, and while you're at it you can lobby for the government to be prepared for drought instead of leaving it as late as they have.

My suggestion to you is, if you like drinking and using water, stop being such an antagonizing greeny. Level 6 restrictions in Brisbane would indicate that there isn't enough water to go around if the drought, which personally I think has broken anyway, continues. No matter where you put another Dam, you're destroying habitat, wildlife, nesting areas, the list goes on.

None of this stops an online petition full of 'omg I know that fish, save it!' signatures being useless, whether it's educational and informative or not.

Wow! I almost feel like cutting my eyes out with rusty spoons so i don't have to read the nonsense you are posting.

Can't handle that MFK has a new member that has proved that EVERYTHING you have said is complete BS? Dirtyminded happens to be a very close friend of mine that i have known for many many years. I know of no-one that has as much knowledge about Australian turtles then him. I personally asked for him to indulge us with his vast knowledge and years of experience to help enlighten people such as youself who have no clue and show the true problem. But instead of accepting a new member who has such invaluable information to share with this community you criticise him. Your making MFK proud there boy.

This talk of overcrowding our cities is confusing me. At last check our population was decreasing, not increasing. Why do you think that the baby bonus was implemented...? Because the Government likes the smell of baby's? Seriously Japes, do you want me to start a thread on video games so you can give some real input about something you know about..? cause you have absoulutely embarrassed yourself in this one.

like Dirtyminded already stated is that no-one is arguing that Queensland needs water, but there are many other ways other then building a dam ontop of an endangered species only breeding ground. What is is that you can't understand about this? i'll spell it out E-N-D-A-N-G-E-R-E-D S-P-E-C-I-E-S !!! So please stop re-posting your comments that have already been argued against.

 

[japes]

proved that EVERYTHING you have said is complete BS?

You actually think this petition is going to make even a minute shred of difference?

Hahahahahhaa.

So please stop re-posting your comments that have already been argued against.

See above.

Edit: I see once again you've missed my entire point. This petition is useless. I'm neither against nor am I for the construction of a dam anywhere, I'm against the SEQ water grid because it's going to be draining my local dam (Baroon Pocket) to supply you in Brisbane and quite probably put us on water-restrictions too. Just for emphasis, I believe this petition is useless, not the reason behind it.

 

[~THEO~]

You actually think this petition is going to make even a minute shred of difference?

Hahahahahhaa.



See above.

Edit: I see once again you've missed my entire point. This petition is useless. I'm neither against nor am I for the construction of a dam anywhere, I'm against the SEQ water grid because it's going to be draining my local dam (Baroon Pocket) to supply you in Brisbane and quite probably put us on water-restrictions too. Just for emphasis, I believe this petition is useless, not the reason behind it.

To be totally honest, I have no idea if this petition will or will not help. But what i do know is that if no one is willing to do something about it then we might aswell just add the Mary River Turtle to the extinct species list. What I also know is that if your not part of the solution then your part of the problem. And you Japes are part of the problem.

How can you say you are not for or against...??? You confuse me. I can say I am totally AGAINST this dam, I will not once say the positives will outweigh the negatives. If your only form of defence is that you don't want Brisbane to drain your local dam, then you are as selfish as you are uninformed and stubborn, and what makes maters worse is that you are proud to be. You are the type of person that stands idle and only make negatory comments when someone else does. Grow a spine Japes.

if this dam goes ahead and the mary River Turtles do become extinct, will you take responsibility? Becasue it is people like you that will be the death of this species.

 

[gonnelro]

Hey, I just signed, and I have a question. Please dont flame me for being an idiot, I dont know much about this, in fact, all I know is what I read on this thread. If they do go ahead and build the dam, can any steps be taken to try and save these endangered species? Is there any way they could be moved or something? I have no clue, but Im curious. Good luck with the petition.

 

[~THEO~]

Hey, I just signed, and I have a question. Please dont flame me for being an idiot, I dont know much about this, in fact, all I know is what I read on this thread. If they do go ahead and build the dam, can any steps be taken to try and save these endangered species? Is there any way they could be moved or something? I have no clue, but Im curious. Good luck with the petition.

That is a totally reasonable question, and no-one should ever be flamed for asking a question. I think Dirtyminded would be best to answer that for you.

 

[japes]

I love how you're making me out to be the bad guy for being realistic about an online petition that you've just admitted you're not sure about yourself, and for good reason.

Grow a spine? I think I'd have trouble retorting without one since I'd be a glob in my chair, but since we're on the subject why don't you get up off your chair and strap yourself to a tree out near Gympie? Do I really need to point out who the 'bad guys' are in this scenario or are you going to step down off your high horse and do it yourself?

Didn't lobbyists in the region hire experts who also confirmed it was the best, most logical longterm site for a dam?

Here's a spine. Stop thinking that because you've initiated a half ass cause on an internet forum regarding the wellbeing of animals and someone realistically points out how futile it is, don't go calling them fools or idiots. If you believe so righteously in the reason behind this petition, as I've said, get up off your chair and strap yourself to a tree. Better yet, start a real petition or follow other avenues of action if you believe in it so much.

People like you sitting on your ass pretending to to give a toss about something you clearly care about are bigger fools and idiots than the people who try to let them know better. Since we were using analogy's lets look at it this way.

Bob doesn't like the Australian gun laws. While swearing aloud at an A Current Affair article outlining the decrease in deaths in Australia caused by Firearms, his Wife Beryl tells him to get off his ass and do something about it because swearing isn't helping. Instead, Bob takes a beating to Beryl with his belt.

Two sides to every argument mate, you should know this.

 

[dirtyminded]

The 'tool' in question is the result of someone pretending to give a crap about about the environment and the SEQ Watergrid/Traveston Dam was the most blatantly obvious thing to point at a stick at because god forbid, animals are involved.

The petition is a result of two peoples ongoing dedication to the survival of an endangered species that has gone otherwise forgotten. They happen to be the first people to have successfully bred the Mary River turtle in captivity. Do you're research on who you're talking about & you'll find they are a far cry from sombody who, like you say, "doesn't give a crap about the environment". And since you keep missing the very obvious point, I''ll try my best to go slowly for you:

There is a significant difference between an animal & an endangered animal.

Your ignorance of this point is just examplified by each post that you continue to make.

Want to make a difference? Start an online petition (lol) to change our immigration laws so cities like Brisbane aren't growing at such an alarming exponential rate. Better yet, jump in your time machine and do it 15 years ago, and while you're at it you can lobby for the government to be prepared for drought instead of leaving it as late as they have.

I'm sorry, have I somehow given you the impression that I care about what you're saying? I'd hate to think that you actually believe I'd be remotely interested in taking your advice on making a difference. What do you do, japes? Sit behind the safety of your keyboard every day & criticise people for taking an active interest in something deeper than looking at fish through glass? Please, tell me, what do you do for a living that is so much better than being a greenie?

Unemployment doesn't count, by the way...

My suggestion to you is, if you like drinking and using water, stop being such an antagonizing greeny. Level 6 restrictions in Brisbane would indicate that there isn't enough water to go around if the drought, which personally I think has broken anyway, continues. No matter where you put another Dam, you're destroying habitat, wildlife, nesting areas, the list goes on.

Right, because you're causing the probable exitinction of an endangered species "no matter where you put another dam" too? Again, japes, I'm not terribly interested in your suggestions for me so you can save yourself & everybody else the bore of your self-flattery.

Maybe you should look at Western Australia's track record with similar matters. They are pumping millions of dollars of tax payers money into breeding programs for the Western Swamp Turtle after having come to the realisation that they nearly drove it to extinction through habitat destruction. I'd rather see the same mistake prevented here & the millions of dollars put towards a more suitable, immediate alternative. As aposed to yourself, I'm looking at it with logic rationality in mind from both sides. I don't want to see nothing done about the water crisis as much as anybody else but on the same token, I certainly don't want to see the extinction of yet another endangered species due to the ignorance of a Government that never learns from past mistakes.

None of this stops an online petition full of 'omg I know that fish, save it!' signatures being useless, whether it's educational and informative or not.

Oh, did you mean to say 'useful' there? "(lol)"

Deny the value of this thread all you like but at least you're getting an educational experience out of it. The longer you continue to post in here, divulging your time & energy into proving this thread 'useless', the further you go in proving my point. Please, keep going.

It's difficult to take you seriously when, despite being advised otherwise, you continue to whole-heartedly believe that this petition is the last & only hope for each & everyone involved.

 

[dirtyminded]

Two sides to every argument mate, you should know this.

You would do well to take a little of your own advice there.

 

[dirtyminded]

Hey, I just signed, and I have a question. Please dont flame me for being an idiot, I dont know much about this, in fact, all I know is what I read on this thread. If they do go ahead and build the dam, can any steps be taken to try and save these endangered species? Is there any way they could be moved or something? I have no clue, but Im curious. Good luck with the petition.

Steps could very well be taken to rehabilitate the Mary River but there must be a reason that the Mary River turtle only inhabits the Mary River unlike almost every other freshwater Australian turtle that can seemingly flourish with abundance in a variety of locations. Captive breeding has proven successful but nobody can say with any amount of certainty whether or not they will go on to breed elsewhere if relocated.