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zev;582839; said:So how did you do it? Small chunks? blackworm soak.....long starvation? an eager public wants to know
the threat of violence, which is an underestimated tactic among fishkeepers. well the first one he ate was soaked in the blackworms. then i put a worm right on his head the next day. he didnt like that so he swallowed it. the last time, yesterday, was just a regular troutworm with no soak.
Nice any more luck with your humerosa? I just got what I think is a yepezi and he has proven to be a much less finiky eater than my humerosa. They are both now eating frozen bloodworms, which will allow me to let my blackworm culture regain some numbers
Good luck with dem punk a** rays
Good luck with dem punk a** rayszev;583745; said:Nice any more luck with your humerosa? I just got what I think is a yepezi and he has proven to be a much less finiky eater than my humerosa. They are both now eating frozen bloodworms, which will allow me to let my blackworm culture regain some numbers
humerosa ate krill today for no apparent reason other than starvation. i fed blackworms 2 days ago and only troutworms and krill the last 2 days.
Hello, just caught uo to this thread.
I feed all my rays blackworms on a 2 times a day regimen. Now this is expensive but my rays are young so my goal is to first let them grow and get very strong and healthy, and then start trying alternative feeding methods. Just my two cents.
I get all my blackworms shipped to me from Dan at Aquatic Foods out of California, been using him for about 4 years now, he overnights them when I need, ships extremely well, and you can get a pound of worms for about $24. That suffices me for about 2 weeks at the current regimen for 6 juvenile rays, 2 motoros, 3 reticulatas, and 1 yepezi. I also feed some to my 6 Discus.
The total cost per ray, per day is around 0.29 cents, and this provides them with the best nutrition I can find for now, as they get bigger, I will implement other foods, but for now, my $100 Motoro gets the 0.29 cents meal everyday.
I will sure use the info on this thread when I start getting them off the worms, great info from everyone.
Rod
I feed all my rays blackworms on a 2 times a day regimen. Now this is expensive but my rays are young so my goal is to first let them grow and get very strong and healthy, and then start trying alternative feeding methods. Just my two cents.
I get all my blackworms shipped to me from Dan at Aquatic Foods out of California, been using him for about 4 years now, he overnights them when I need, ships extremely well, and you can get a pound of worms for about $24. That suffices me for about 2 weeks at the current regimen for 6 juvenile rays, 2 motoros, 3 reticulatas, and 1 yepezi. I also feed some to my 6 Discus.
The total cost per ray, per day is around 0.29 cents, and this provides them with the best nutrition I can find for now, as they get bigger, I will implement other foods, but for now, my $100 Motoro gets the 0.29 cents meal everyday.
I will sure use the info on this thread when I start getting them off the worms, great info from everyone.
Rod
thanks for your response. do you think it's ok to feed them exclusively one food for now? that was my worry. otherwise id have just stuck to the blackworms. keep us posted on how you convert them to other foods. thanks
downset21;588262; said:
There was a study done and posted in one of the Discus forums about the nutrinional value of California Blackworms, I wish I had the link to share but this is going back a while, the point was that the balance of fat and protein made it an excellent nutritional source for fish such as discus in their early stages. SInce then I started switching all my discus to CBW while young, the most delicate stages, with excellent success.
Blackworms do have a lot of problems; you have to clean them everyday, are expensive, suffer from dye-offs, ship poorly in the summer and harsh winter, and are said to carry diseases.
Frozen foods have all the benefits lacking in CBW, convenient, controlable, readly accesible, and in most cases, more affordable.
My Discus get a mix of many sources of foods, after they grow in size, I intend to do the sma with my rays as they grow.
Is this the best approach? I don't know, I haven't been keeping rays long enough to affirm one way or another so am going on based on personnal experience with other fish. I would love to have some more experienced ray keepers chime in so we can all learn more.
All things considered, and untill someone tells me differently, I will stick to what works for me, but please, don't take this as gospel, it is just my personall approach.
Sorry for the long post, but this is a very interesting subject that I to, want to learn more about.
Rod
Well things have taken a definate turn here in the conversation. This is very interesting I wish worms came with nutritional information like cereal does
I have always thought that a varied diet is the best option for any type of fish at any age. Obviously what we have all been dealing with is a more extreme case of needing to fatten up young rays. But, if possible, wouldn't the same still apply.
I culture my own blackworms and my intention is to continue to feed CBW as part of a regular rotation of foods. I since I have been able to switch my rays off of CBW I have added trout worms, Frozen bloodworms, and frozen mysis shrimp. I would think that all the worms have similar nutritional value but there must be a difference in with the addition of the mysis. right?
well I can see some serious internet searching going on in the near future.
I lookforward to seeing where this all goes.
p.s. both my rays are now eating troutworms like there's no tomarrow. I don't know my humerosa just seemed to wake up one day and eat worms......I am not complaining.....pellets are my next venture
I have always thought that a varied diet is the best option for any type of fish at any age. Obviously what we have all been dealing with is a more extreme case of needing to fatten up young rays. But, if possible, wouldn't the same still apply.I culture my own blackworms and my intention is to continue to feed CBW as part of a regular rotation of foods. I since I have been able to switch my rays off of CBW I have added trout worms, Frozen bloodworms, and frozen mysis shrimp. I would think that all the worms have similar nutritional value but there must be a difference in with the addition of the mysis. right?
well I can see some serious internet searching going on in the near future.
I lookforward to seeing where this all goes.
p.s. both my rays are now eating troutworms like there's no tomarrow. I don't know my humerosa just seemed to wake up one day and eat worms......I am not complaining.....pellets are my next venture
my humerosa ignored krill the last two days, and i think it was because i threw in blackworms. my retic wont eat anything but blackworms though. if it's not too much, do you mind letting me know how you culture your own worms. it's expensive to keep on buying them at the lfs. today im going to try to feed bloodworms with trout worms and krill. then im going away for the weekend so the boys will have to starve, (they are all fattening up nicely now so i can risk 2 days i think). i'll update
