False piraiba, Brachyplatystoma capapretum, ~10", in 4500 gal

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I think your assumption is correct,loss of color can indicate stress.

How's the labeo from hell?
Thank you. The Labeo is as chipper as usual now that no one is trying to kill it.

Well that's sad news. Sorry to hear about your back, are you still bed ridden?

So now I wonder does this guy become food for the big tank then?
I was bed ridden for 5 days then little by little started walking. Have been working almost full strength the last 2 weeks.

Yes. All that die, except when a bacterial or viral infection is suspected, become feed.
 

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Last update on our large capa.

Third time is not always a charm. Sometimes, it's the last straw.

So I worked up the stupidity (not to be confused with courage) to try the capa in the 4500 gal again, where I tried it twice before, as described above, with poor results that came sooner or later.

It was a vibrant fish in mint condition (due to having been solo in its 240 gal for a while) except the snout, at 8 am. At 3 pm it was all biten up and couldn't stay upright anymore.

Between those times I've come over to the tank and checked on capa several times and didn't see anything too alarming, except that the fish couldn't understand where the walls of the 4500 gal were and was bumping into them. I attributed it to the fact that it has spent a couple of years in a 240 gal where it grew from about a foot to the current 27"... and that 240 gal is 8x2x2, pretty tight for a 2'+ fish, so poor thing couldn't quite get it where the new walls were.

Another downfall of mine was that it takes some time for bite marks to develop redness, which gives them visibility. From the size of the bite marks it seems the most trouble came from our 5-pack of vulture catfish. They sense a fish in distress and it makes them go for the victim, as I observed with black ear shark catfish and iridescent shark catfish before. Still, I have not caught the vultures do that in my checkups. The fins got lots of damage too between my last checkup and when I had to pull the fish out.

I saw our mahseers mouthing capas fins and chasing it. They do it to every new fish and leave no physical damage but increase the stress of the newcomer for sure.

I missed when the serious damage was done or when the capa reached the point of no return of becoming pretty much discombobulated in a state of shock. In the hindsight I should have sat and watched the fish for an hour or so...

I held the capa in the filter output flow for 20 min and it got the capa to stay upright and swim around more or less ok back in its homey 240 gal but by the nightfall it went upside down again and was dead of course the next morning.

Overall, capapretum I have found to be very hard to house in any communities but literally the most peaceful ones where its tank mates don't pay it any attention whatsoever. It's a nervous, skittish fish that runs away full speed from anything it perceives as possible danger. It has very, very little capacity for learning and adapting, exceedingly primitive in that regard.

Tyjo's 2'+ donated capapretum got too killed in the first night when it was introduced into a South American themed tank at Shedd. Consistent with my sad result.

When it was smaller, it took both pellets and thawed fish. In the last couple of years, it didn't want to have anything to do with pellets, always only wanted fish and could pig out on it every feeding. It has an enormous appetite when it is comfortable.

I got it pretty small at 3" or so in Aug 2015, which makes it about 3.5 years today.

Last measure 27".


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Sad News, I also did not have success with Capas....like you said, skittish...

I applaud you in dedicating a solo tank to it, and growing to that size....
Thank you. And I appreciate very much knowing your experience with capapretum too. Makes me feel a tad bit better and less idiotic.
 

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It took me 3 hours to put this collection of links and photos of fila vs capa. These links have a ton of photos to compare for anyone who wants to learn and do their homework. Hope this helps.

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Please pay attention to the dates of the threads and posts – my personal and our understanding as a community evolves with time. You can also pay attention to the thread number (in the address) – the higher the number, the later the thread.



Our main thread on fila: https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...iba-aka-brachyplatystoma-filamentosum.688117/



Our main thread on capa: https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...yplatystoma-capapretum-10-in-4500-gal.680760/





These are in chronological order, from early to the late:



2013 - one of the earliest: Capa versus fila comparison on Fugupuff's blog http://fugupuff-fugupuff.blogspot.com/2013/07/capapretum-brachyplatystoma-lundberg-j.html



Jan 2013, Tyjo, looks like a capapretum to me (being offered as filamentosum)

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/piraiba-pictures.520869/



Apr 3013, Big cat, https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...achyplatystoma-capapretum-photos-talk.534713/



Feb 2014, Sir Catfish, also post #5 of ours has a lot of early links: https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/capa-cant-be-fila-can-it.569554/



Jun 2015, Truviethug, https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...ussetts-01801-pickup-and-able-to-ship.644346/



May 2016, Greenerinks, from 2 page https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...chy-sticky-submit-pics-comments.645921/page-2



Aug 2015, Horopgedrik, Another great capa vs fila thread. Note Fugupuff's input (starts on page 2) with pictures of fila from Suriname and Brasil http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/need-id-for-my-catfish.648861/



Sept 2015, Fishnatics, another ID thread based around the key word "salton" with Wes / Fugupuff’s input on page 2 http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/brachyplatystoma-sp-salton.650369/



Oct 2015, Marcus H https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...tween-b-filamentosum-and-b-capapretum.651888/



Jan 2016, starting from this post down, possibly fila (Vincentwugwg) https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/catfish-id-help.658745/post-7423362



June 2016, 4th picture down looks like a true piraiba by Amazoniaaquaculture https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...ver-juruense-piraiba-tiger-shovelnose.669320/



June 2016, a real one, I think, by Greenerinks in Shanghai http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/tempted-by-this-piraiba-for-sale.669511/



Aug 2016, Vincent Wu https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/brachyplatystoma-i-d.673058/



Sept 2016, Texasrockwell https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/brachyplatystoma-id.673975/



Nov 2016, Jonathan G https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/my-brachyplatystoma-pics-and-info.677879/



Dec 2016, Herman Moorr, 2.5" little Brachie, capa IMHO https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/please-help-id.679369/



May 2017, Sunnyboy https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/brachyplatystoma-id.686768/



May 2017, Rpul https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/piriabia-id.688073/



Jun 2017, LukeMitchell https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/piraiba-price.689225/



Sept 2017, GiantFishKeeper101 https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/help-id-fish.693235/



Oct 2017, Herman Moorr https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/brachyplatystoma-fila-update.693838/



Dec 2017, GiantFishKeeper101 https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/filamentosum-difference.697444/



May 2018, IsaacHZJ https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/new-acquisition-capapretum.703995/



July 2018, IsaacHZJ https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/b-fila.705536/



July 2018, Blackwolf, including info on piraiba names… https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/pariba.706140/



July 2018, Kingrancher https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/b-filamentosum-info.706552/



Sept 2018, Rpul https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...atystoma-filamentosum-grow-out-thread.707819/



Dec 2018, Rpul https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/surinam-piriba-surinam-vallantii-grow-out.711389/



Apr 2019, Rpul https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/capa-pati-vallantii.717114/



Oct 2019, Jiyowel https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/id-this-catfish-pls.723305/



Mar 2020, tvbbnumber https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/new-brachyplatystoma-capapretum.727348/



Oct 2020, Tony Tropical https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/brachyplatystoma-capapretum-new-pick-up.734449/



Oct 2020, superman818 https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/id-help-piraiba.734670/



Nov 2020, TBTB https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...e-caparetum-80-price-if-anyone-wanted.735077/



May 2021, Cichla1981 https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/capa-or-fila.740149/



Dec 2021, EAC, I am a bit confused by Peru vs other fila, see also our main fila thread: https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/peru-piraiba.744893/



Dec 2021, Dermifrost https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/capa-or-fila-true-or-false.744994/



Mar 2022, Ryang85 https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/capapretum-id.746816/
 
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One of the most skittish fish we have ever dealt with. Very hard to raise in a fish tank, much easier in a pond. Darts and hits walls at even minute visual or acoustic disturbance, such as opening a lid to drop in feed. Hence its snout gradually bends.

 

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B batamboy999 It is true piraiba aka B. filamentosum to my eye. See my post #36 above with a chronological collection of threads with visuals comparing the false vs the true. I think you will pick up the difference.
 
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