Festae- Quality VS Trash!!
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I cant tell if your being sarcastic or if its your business degree talking??? Gotta love the personal stabs at me
i would suggest joining the haters club just like the others that have trouble properly reading my posts. Funny thing is the statement about alaska being dark for 18 hours a day was brought up to me by a good friend who was warning me about someone trash talkin about me behind my back.... So whatever bro. Why dont you tell me how you really feel instead of beating around the bush and having to start a new profile so you can talk trash without bringing attention to your true self. that is where i was going with about the 4 post thing, nothing to do with experience. Trolling on this thread isnt beneficial to anyone!!Yup, All aboard the hater train, Choo Choo!!!! You dont know me at all bro, and to make a statment like this goes to show that. Ive never stated that i was smarter than everyone, my fish is better, or whatever. I really dont care what you think bro! Cant like everyone and that doesnt bother me at all. I dont expect to be liked by everyone either. I am honest, I am who im am andI also give everyone the benifit of a doubt until they put their foot in their mouth or try talking trash, and then yes, ill come right back. I am not one to lay down and allow myself to be kicked!! That doesnt make me a bad person, it just means i have the balls to stand up for myself.
Ive gotten pms about people being worried about getting punked so they dont post on this thread. Well if you are asking questions or can be respectful then there are no worries. but there have been people who decide to take shots at me or other members and then they cry about it when they get hit back...
RR, your fish are bleeding!
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LOL! Thanks Man!
Roadrunners stock is quite nice I'm jealous quite frankly.
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Thanks Adam for the kind words!
Haha. Go figure, I get out of breeding snakes for 15 years for various reasons especially all the cut throats out there, to end up working with a beautiful fish that has definitely alot of controversy. Lol. I have 5 groups of Festae from 3 vendors/breeders totalling about 50 1.5" to 2" beauties. Im all about selective breeding to ensure healthy stock and breed for certain characteristics that i like. Its hard to believe what alot of people say as i spent hundreds on Mayans. I dont slam these vendors due to their ignorance or lack of knowledge, I'm used to donating money. Lol.
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Sensitive are we? Relax BRO. Just making a point that whether you have 1 or 1,000 posts is no reason to discount another members post. No need for all the extra text but you're right, I dont know you and honestly i'm more impressed by your fish.
First off, I have been following this thread for quite some time and still am a little unsure as to the purpose of it. Most of the comments have been sly digs at someone or another.
Anyway. As far as I am concerned, festae are like any other south or central american cichlid out there. Sure they are colourful and have a lot of personality... But so can Oscars. I don't see the great fascination with them vs anything else. I should point out at this point that I have never owned any festae. So it may be that my opinion is bias.
However, I believe that the demand of this fish plays a large role in what is percieved as quality. For example - until fairly recently festae were considered rare, especially in the UK. So most people paying large sums of money for a fish want the show stoppers (like many pictured on this thread). Which isn't always going to happen. Especially when some (not all) breeders will grow out the largest batches of fry to capitalise on the want for such a fish. Meaning some people will get a bum deal and end up with fish which aren't as high quality as others.
I think eventually the commercial pet stores will begin to carry festae and it will be a similar scenario to as is with the Green Terrors (gold saums). Whereby 1 in every 100 turns out to be a showstopper, the rest are labelled as average or 'have potential'. This is when the ones bred by people like jason will be in higher demand and at this point I think they should be labelled as high quality.
I have had a few chances to own festae but have never bothered. Not for any particular reason. Just I think festae will become and are becoming too popular and will soon become so popular that every other person has them. Now, it is not for the rarity that I own a fish, but I believe it is quite good to own a fish that not many other people do. I believe once they get extremely popular, then another fish will come around the corner and their popularity will drop.
People want what other people don't have and once other people have it they no longer want it.
I know that's a very stereotypical way of looking at things and at people but thats what I forsee happening.
Finally. I make no bones in telling someone what I think of their fish. But I believe if people have only ever owned one specimen of a species they will not take too kindly to it. For example: if I were to own a festae with okay colouration, a beak and a humpback - but this is the only festae I have ever owned and someone like jason who has owned, bred and sold tons tells me that mine is of inferior quality. I am going to instantly say that he is only trying to sell something and that he is wrong. Whereas if I owned two festae of different colouration, body shape and facial structure then I would be able to see the difference.
I think that all fish species in the hobby have varying quality but even what is percieved to be the lowest of quality by one person may be anothers dream fish. Take for example blood parrots - I and many others likely think of them as hideous looking fish. Whereas some people love them.
I agree with what you are doing jason in trying to provide the best festae for the hobby and I totally support you in doing so. But frankly, your not going to change the world. People are always going to capitalise on the demand for a fish and sell poor quality fish. So there is always going to be this quality vs trash divide. Every other fish have and festae are no exception.Its the way of the world.
Anyway. As far as I am concerned, festae are like any other south or central american cichlid out there. Sure they are colourful and have a lot of personality... But so can Oscars. I don't see the great fascination with them vs anything else. I should point out at this point that I have never owned any festae. So it may be that my opinion is bias.
However, I believe that the demand of this fish plays a large role in what is percieved as quality. For example - until fairly recently festae were considered rare, especially in the UK. So most people paying large sums of money for a fish want the show stoppers (like many pictured on this thread). Which isn't always going to happen. Especially when some (not all) breeders will grow out the largest batches of fry to capitalise on the want for such a fish. Meaning some people will get a bum deal and end up with fish which aren't as high quality as others.
I think eventually the commercial pet stores will begin to carry festae and it will be a similar scenario to as is with the Green Terrors (gold saums). Whereby 1 in every 100 turns out to be a showstopper, the rest are labelled as average or 'have potential'. This is when the ones bred by people like jason will be in higher demand and at this point I think they should be labelled as high quality.
I have had a few chances to own festae but have never bothered. Not for any particular reason. Just I think festae will become and are becoming too popular and will soon become so popular that every other person has them. Now, it is not for the rarity that I own a fish, but I believe it is quite good to own a fish that not many other people do. I believe once they get extremely popular, then another fish will come around the corner and their popularity will drop.
People want what other people don't have and once other people have it they no longer want it.
I know that's a very stereotypical way of looking at things and at people but thats what I forsee happening.
Finally. I make no bones in telling someone what I think of their fish. But I believe if people have only ever owned one specimen of a species they will not take too kindly to it. For example: if I were to own a festae with okay colouration, a beak and a humpback - but this is the only festae I have ever owned and someone like jason who has owned, bred and sold tons tells me that mine is of inferior quality. I am going to instantly say that he is only trying to sell something and that he is wrong. Whereas if I owned two festae of different colouration, body shape and facial structure then I would be able to see the difference.
I think that all fish species in the hobby have varying quality but even what is percieved to be the lowest of quality by one person may be anothers dream fish. Take for example blood parrots - I and many others likely think of them as hideous looking fish. Whereas some people love them.
I agree with what you are doing jason in trying to provide the best festae for the hobby and I totally support you in doing so. But frankly, your not going to change the world. People are always going to capitalise on the demand for a fish and sell poor quality fish. So there is always going to be this quality vs trash divide. Every other fish have and festae are no exception.Its the way of the world.
I personally think that festae will never become popular like green terrors or Oscars. Think about this. How many people are honestly in this hobby? Quite a few. How many people are into specifically central/south American cichlids? An even smaller number than that. Now think about that small number compared to the population of our countries...my point is that like Dan (cichlvr) said earlier in the thread, festae only really sell to a dedicated number of people. These fish are also not over flowing tanks all over the place. I've never even seen festae for sale in a retail store other than an extreme specialty store in a big city like Washington DC. Just some food for thought. And also its an opinion I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right, no one has to agree or disagree. They are special fish and I would bet that they will remain special for a long long time. I don't see some locals in Ecuador Peru or otherwise going out fishing and be like "damn another festae" and throw it back in the water much less saying "hm this one is quality I'm keeping it" keep in mind I'm referring to a local who would be fishing FOR the purpose of collecting for exportation. I could be extremely wrong... I know umbriferous used to actually be a "contaminate" fish when collecters were collecting geophagus steindachneri from Rio Magdelana
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Well said, and well thought out! A lot of gret looking fish on this thread, a little chippy for my taste, but the fish look great, I would be happy to own most of them!
