filtration idea

[WyldFya]

Major flaw in the design you put up, that will cause failure from the start. Unless the water level of the 10g is the same as the 55g, the gravity feed will not be as strong for the second 204. This will mean that more water is flowing into the 10g, then is being taken out.

 

[señor_pescados_felices]

okay got it guys,its not a very good idea.
so Im better of just posting a question in the discus forum somthing like "recomended filtration for 55 gallon discus tank".
thanks everybody for their input.
also,I might add, dr.joe,while I agree with everything else youve said so far,you are the first one Ive seen say that 5 or 6 discuss in a 55 gallon tank is overstocking....and I read the whole discus forum down to the first posts.
Not saying your wrong but if your correct on that than the moderators of that section let ALOT of misinformation be represented as fact rather than oppinion.
Ill post it in the discus section and see what is said.

 

[justin]

I would say take 90% of what people tell you on any site as opinion rather than fact. What they tell you might be factual in their situation,but as we all know not all the same things work in the same ways for all of the people. I have done many things in my tanks that I was told could not happen or would not work. Fish keeping is about experience, knowledge, and testing. People just don't want you to start fast and end fast. It is better to start small and easy and learn and work your way to something like discus. Hope you figure it out, because a well setup and maintained environment where the fish are in good health and are happy is not only enjoyable to the fish and youself, but to everyone else that loves this hobby.

 

[Dr Joe]

Major flaw in the design you put up, that will cause failure from the start. Unless the water level of the 10g is the same as the 55g, the gravity feed will not be as strong for the second 204. This will mean that more water is flowing into the 10g, then is being taken out.

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okay got it guys,its not a very good idea.
so Im better of just posting a question in the discus forum somthing like "recomended filtration for 55 gallon discus tank".
thanks everybody for their input.
also,I might add, dr.joe,while I agree with everything else youve said so far,you are the first one Ive seen say that 5 or 6 discuss in a 55 gallon tank is overstocking....and I read the whole discus forum down to the first posts.
Not saying your wrong but if your correct on that than the moderators of that section let ALOT of misinformation be represented as fact rather than oppinion.
Ill post it in the discus section and see what is said.

I'd like to hear (read?) their concensus.

I would say take 90% of what people tell you on any site as opinion rather than fact. What they tell you might be factual in their situation,but as we all know not all the same things work in the same ways for all of the people. I have done many things in my tanks that I was told could not happen or would not work. Fish keeping is about experience, knowledge, and testing. People just don't want you to start fast and end fast. It is better to start small and easy and learn and work your way to something like discus. Hope you figure it out, because a well setup and maintained environment where the fish are in good health and are happy is not only enjoyable to the fish and youself, but to everyone else that loves this hobby.

I hope the percentage is better than that...

But otherwise


Pure prose


Dr Joe

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[señor_pescados_felices]

I see what you trying to say but I dont think you quite get what I meant.

what I meant by "if thats true the moderators of that section let ALOT of misinformation be represented as fact rather than oppinion" in this case was simply this:

in the disus forum it is stated several times (actually every single time the subject comes up,though not word for word) that discus should be kept in a minimum of 40 gallons and should be kept no more than 1 fish per 10 gallons with few exceptions.(thus 5-6 in a 55)

every time the subject comes up (i.e. how many discuss can I fit in.......) I have noticed the person who asked the question walk away with that beeing the verdict: "1 fish per 10 gallons"

now lets say that somone (most likely many "somones") looking for discus info comes along and looks up old threads (as I did) and sees time and time again that the answer to everybodies "how many can I keep" questions is "1 fish per 10 gallons" and that person takes that info and goes off on their discuss keeping adventures with the wrong info....


that my freind is what I meant by misinformation: allowing a person or persons to walk away %100 convinced that something is fact that is far from it.

but all that is hypothetical,as Im pretty sure the stocking for discus really is 1 fish per 10 gallons.

as for starting easy and working you way up to discus,I started with something easy close to 10 years ago,and moved to africans 5 years ago,how much more "working up" can I possibly have left to do?
the few things Im still shady on are pretty much salt water,sumps,and discus.

thank you again everybody for all your replies,I know the idea this thread was originaly started for will not work,and that was the purpose of the thread,where it goes from here we will see.

 

[WyldFya]

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I'd like to hear (read?) their concensus.





I hope the percentage is better than that...

But otherwise


Pure prose


Dr Joe

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Fluvals are gravity fed. THe height of the water would have to be the same in order for gravity to have the same pull. Otherwise the second filter will lack as it does not recieve water as quickly as the first. Pumps can be perfect sync, but still won't work evenly.


As to the discus, I'd say 6 in a 55 is fine. I've seen 10 in a 75, that are more than beautiful, from discus breeders. The main thing is that water quality stays up, if you are willing to do huge changes daily, then no probs. If not, then more water. As with most fish though, the more space they have the happier they will be.

 

[Dr Joe]

SPF, I'm glad your doing so much research before getting these fish, so many people come here saying 'what do I do now' after their fish are floating toward the surface.

As far as furthering your education:

Salt water...good luck...a career move.

Sumps...step back and look at some pictures, don't over-think them and I you'll find they are very simple (overflows just suck the water out of the tank by gravity (water falling)). If you get discus you'll get sumps / W/Ds no prblem.

Discus...You probably only have experience left to learn ( if you read all the threads on discus here (wow)).


As far as starting simpler, maybe guppies 50 yrs ago (Mr Peabody the set the Wayback machine 1956 please)

Dr Joe

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[Dr Joe]

Fluvals are gravity fed. THe height of the water would have to be the same in order for gravity to have the same pull. Otherwise the second filter will lack as it does not recieve water as quickly as the first. Pumps can be perfect sync, but still won't work evenly.


As to the discus, I'd say 6 in a 55 is fine. I've seen 10 in a 75, that are more than beautiful, from discus breeders. The main thing is that water quality stays up, if you are willing to do huge changes daily, then no probs. If not, then more water. As with most fish though, the more space they have the happier they will be.

Wyldfya,

Thanks for clarifying the filter thing.

How big were the 'ten in a 75g' you saw?, just curious.

I'm sure we all would like to have tanks big enough to watch our fish swim back and forth across our living rooms. Ah... to dream.

Dr Joe

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[Nic]

just go for 1 larger canister on the tank like a 304 or a 404 if you want for filtration i added the bio wheel 60 to my 304 on my 45 gallon plus with reg water changes you should be fine

 

[hillbilly]

just go for 1 larger canister on the tank like a 304 or a 404 if you want for filtration i added the bio wheel 60 to my 304 on my 45 gallon plus with reg water changes you should be fine

Canister filters are not necessary with discus because they need clean water all the time. Filtration is less important because the tank should always be clean. This is best done with water changes, instead of filtration. Some breeders only use sponge filters and change 100% of the water daily. I don't go to this extreme, but I make sure the water is always clean by stocking lightly, and changing water every other day. These fish evolved in acidic conditions where microbial populations are low, thus are more susceptible to "dirtier" conditions than most other fish. They are really easy to keep, as long as you keep up on your water changes, instead of relying on filtration.