Finally found a Silver Saum!
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Quick update, its tail healed great!
Waiting to see how the tip of his dorsal fin heals.
He is already adjusted to the tank, moving gravel around and doesnt get shy when Im in front of the tank. His belly is starting to fill out, progress all around.
Will have update pics up sunday or monday night, and will start a progression thread for the pics so that anyone interested can follow his progress.
I will be naming this fish.
Waiting to see how the tip of his dorsal fin heals.
He is already adjusted to the tank, moving gravel around and doesnt get shy when Im in front of the tank. His belly is starting to fill out, progress all around.
Will have update pics up sunday or monday night, and will start a progression thread for the pics so that anyone interested can follow his progress.
I will be naming this fish.
I had the same thing happen but not until the other fish in the tank ate his fins, when they grew back they were orange. After 2 years of searching I picked up a white a few months ago but I'm having a heck of a time getting him to eat. He seems to only want live food. I like the white more than the orange, maybe just because I don't see them much.Angler;4429667; said:
Here's a pic after the chewing he got. Looking at him now I agree with aquanero that he's more of a pale cream compared to the bright white of the OP's and my current one.
He's not a rivulatus, those have the black markings on the body reversed compared to saums, ie. the checkered board patternIrondale;4430554; said:
Geez, after reading through this thread I can see why there is still so much confusion regarding greenterrors
The newly described Andinoacara stalsbergi has a different scale coloration pattern. It not common in the hobby and often goes by the common name of 'silversaum' or 'silver seam' ( as well as also being called the 'real' or 'true green terror'). It is easily distinguished from Andinoacara sp. "gold saum" based on it's much different scale pattern, not on the coloration of it's fin trim.
A. sp. "goldsaum" , comes in either gold or white trim. Both fin trim colors exist with in the population, in their native range. A. sp. 'goldsaum' is the popular, and very common green terror in the hobby, and depending on the color of it's fin trim , it is sometimes refferred to as a 'goldsaum' or a 'whitesaum'. When a 'whitesaum' is refferred to as a 'silver saum' it get's confused with A. stalbergi; a fish that is easily distinguished by it's much different scale coloration pattern.
Andinoacara sp. "goldsaum" is rather difficult to distinguish from Andinoacara rivulatus. A. rivulatus is extremely rare in the hobby and has a different collection point then A. sp. 'goldsaum'. It has yet to be determined wether or not they are in fact seperate species or simply regional variants ( though, given the recent trends of splitting species up, based on very small differences, there is probably little doubt that both fishes will end up being classified as sperate species).
The newly described Andinoacara stalsbergi has a different scale coloration pattern. It not common in the hobby and often goes by the common name of 'silversaum' or 'silver seam' ( as well as also being called the 'real' or 'true green terror'). It is easily distinguished from Andinoacara sp. "gold saum" based on it's much different scale pattern, not on the coloration of it's fin trim.
A. sp. "goldsaum" , comes in either gold or white trim. Both fin trim colors exist with in the population, in their native range. A. sp. 'goldsaum' is the popular, and very common green terror in the hobby, and depending on the color of it's fin trim , it is sometimes refferred to as a 'goldsaum' or a 'whitesaum'. When a 'whitesaum' is refferred to as a 'silver saum' it get's confused with A. stalbergi; a fish that is easily distinguished by it's much different scale coloration pattern.
Andinoacara sp. "goldsaum" is rather difficult to distinguish from Andinoacara rivulatus. A. rivulatus is extremely rare in the hobby and has a different collection point then A. sp. 'goldsaum'. It has yet to be determined wether or not they are in fact seperate species or simply regional variants ( though, given the recent trends of splitting species up, based on very small differences, there is probably little doubt that both fishes will end up being classified as sperate species).
BC in SK;4462926; said:Geez, after reading through this thread I can see why there is still so much confusion regarding greenterrors
The newly described Andinoacara stalsbergi has a different scale coloration pattern. It not common in the hobby and often goes by the common name of 'silversaum' or 'silver seam' ( as well as also being called the 'real' or 'true green terror'). It is easily distinguished from Andinoacara sp. "gold saum" based on it's much different scale pattern, not on the coloration of it's fin trim.
A. sp. "goldsaum" , comes in either gold or white trim. Both fin trim colors exist with in the population, in their native range. A. sp. 'goldsaum' is the popular, and very common green terror in the hobby, and depending on the color of it's fin trim , it is sometimes refferred to as a 'goldsaum' or a 'whitesaum'. When a 'whitesaum' is refferred to as a 'silver saum' it get's confused with A. stalbergi; a fish that is easily distinguished by it's much different scale coloration pattern.
Andinoacara sp. "goldsaum" is rather difficult to distinguish from Andinoacara rivulatus. A. rivulatus is extremely rare in the hobby and has a different collection point then A. sp. 'goldsaum'. It has yet to be determined wether or not they are in fact seperate species or simply regional variants ( though, given the recent trends of splitting species up, based on very small differences, there is probably little doubt that both fishes will end up being classified as sperate species).
Do you have any pictures? I saw a PFK article about the classification of A. stalsbergi, and the picture they used was of a common gold saum
And as if that weren't enough of a wrench tossed in, the article is titled: "White Saum Green terror finally named"
That leads me to question, does it really matter when using common names, if you refer to a fish as 'white saum' or 'silver saum'? To me, it makes no sense to call both the white and gold trim fish 'gold saum'.
It seems just about every body knew what they would see when they read the title. So I don't know who confuses 'white/silver saum' with a. stalsbergi, considering how rare it is.
What you refer to as A. stalsbergi, I previously had read about as 'true rivulatus', this is the first time I hear that A. rivulatus is actually very very similar to 'gold saum'.
Cohazard;4463028; said:
That is what Alf Strasberg, Kullander, and the various scientists that defined Andinoacara and described A. Strasbergi contend. A. rivulatus has never been in the hobby according to Alf and Kullander.
White saum and silver saum were both (here in the US) refering to the white edged gold saum, where silbersaum refered to A. stalsbergi, aka the 'original green terror' ... the one with the reverse pattern. In Europe, the white or silver saum were refering to A. stalsbergi. Just to make it more confusing.
PS. The article you referenced is from a UK fish magazine, hence using the term to mean A. stalsbergi. And you are right, the pic in the article is a gold saum.
