Finrot

[ShadowBass]

In the last pic, does it have 4 bars on the other sides.

Why do you say its an IT?

I don't now how many bars that particular one has on the other side. I have 16 of them and I don't know what the patterning on the one in the picture is. He may very well have 4 on the other, or he may have 3, it doesn't mean he's not an indo.

What leads you to believe that he's a siamese? He has the 2 small stripes near his tail fin, both of the same size, and the third one right behind his anal fin. Indos don't ALWAYS have 4 body stripes, they sometimes end up with some very irregular patterning. Some of mine have 3 body stripes on each side, some have 3 on one side and 4 on the other, some have 4 on both sides. A couple of them have broken bars. The number of body stripes isn't the main indicator of what the species is.

The other thing is that all these fish came in in the same shipment. They were all EXACTLY the same size. Why would a 1 inch siamese dat be shipped with 16 one inch indos? I suppose it's possible, but it doesn't seem that likely.
At 1 inch long I think most dats probably look fairly similar, but now that they're all around 2 inches long or just a bit smaller it's obvious they're all indos. Their bar width and pattern varies a bit (some of them have irregular bars), but they're all indos.

 

[TCZeli]

looks like an indo to me, the tail stripes indicate indo, and the middle bar doesn't sweep back at the bottom like a widebar usually does.

 

[dodo]

I don't now how many bars that particular one has on the other side. I have 16 of them and I don't know what the patterning on the one in the picture is. He may very well have 4 on the other, or he may have 3, it doesn't mean he's not an indo.

What leads you to believe that he's a siamese? He has the 2 small stripes near his tail fin, both of the same size, and the third one right behind his anal fin. Indos don't ALWAYS have 4 body stripes, they sometimes end up with some very irregular patterning. Some of mine have 3 body stripes on each side, some have 3 on one side and 4 on the other, some have 4 on both sides. A couple of them have broken bars. The number of body stripes isn't the main indicator of what the species is.

The other thing is that all these fish came in in the same shipment. They were all EXACTLY the same size. Why would a 1 inch siamese dat be shipped with 16 one inch indos? I suppose it's possible, but it doesn't seem that likely.
At 1 inch long I think most dats probably look fairly similar, but now that they're all around 2 inches long or just a bit smaller it's obvious they're all indos. Their bar width and pattern varies a bit (some of them have irregular bars), but they're all indos.

I am not sure how to id datnoids. Thats why i asked why do you say its an IT.
Now you mentioned it, I noticed how the stripes on the tail fin is different

 

[ShadowBass]

I am not sure how to id datnoids. Thats why i asked why do you say its an IT.
Now you mentioned it, I noticed how the stripes on the tail fin is different

No problem. The microlepis and pulchers can be really hard to tell apart, and I'm pretty new at dat I.D too, but remember that I have 16 indos to look at and help me learn, so I caught on pretty quick, lol.
I've also been constantly reading up on how to I.D them, and comparing pics and stuff for about 5 months now (since I bought these ones). At first I couldn't tell them apart either, but you'll quickly figure it out if you keep asking questions and comparing pics. Just DON'T use pics off of google for comparison. The pictures on google are mostly mislabeled, and some sites use siamese dat and indonesian dat interchangeably for datnioides microlepis.
When you try to find info on I.D look them up by scientific name not common name or else you'll get a mixture of pics for different species.
There's a sticky about dat I.D, and if you read through the whole thing and pay attention to the pics carefully it should help a lot.

 

[sQwiReL]

are you sure your clown loaches arent the ones nipping at the dat's fins? if not... your dats are probably fighting. IMO its pointless to treat water and risk overdosing especially with clown loaches and dats. both are sensitive to meds. unless you know for a fact its fin rot.... might want to check your ammonia levels too... could be ammonia burns?

 

[ShadowBass]

are you sure your clown loaches arent the ones nipping at the dat's fins? if not... your dats are probably fighting. IMO its pointless to treat water and risk overdosing especially with clown loaches and dats. both are sensitive to meds. unless you know for a fact its fin rot.... might want to check your ammonia levels too... could be ammonia burns?

Nah, clowns normally don't bother other fish, and these ones I'm positive are not. The parameters on my tank are fine, amm 0 Nit 0, nitrates consistently below 40.
They could be fighting, that's why we added more driftwood and we're going to take the clown loaches out before we treat. As I mentioned in my other posts the healthy ones are going into the 75g and the ones that show signs of torn fins are staying in the 55g so we can observe them and treat them if necessary.

 

[Datnoid101]

I would recommend melafix and water changes. If not use furazone green(go a little under the recommended dosage). Is the fins really jagged looking or just split?

 

[ShadowBass]

Their fins aren't split. They look kind of ragged like with normal finrot.

Oh and as far as the water changes, I already do 50% per day, so I don't think upping it would help much

 

[T1KARMANN]

Their fins aren't split. They look kind of ragged like with normal finrot.

Oh and as far as the water changes, I already do 50% per day, so I don't think upping it would help much

the 50% water changes per day chould be your problem thats way to much

25% twice per week is enought for most tanks even with a big bio load

as for tiger ID i would say as from the start of this year if you see any tigers for sale that you are not sure if they are IT or ST chances are they are IT the days of finding small ST below 5inch are long gone

 

[ShadowBass]

the 50% water changes per day chould be your problem thats way to much

25% twice per week is enought for most tanks even with a big bio load

as for tiger ID i would say as from the start of this year if you see any tigers for sale that you are not sure if they are IT or ST chances are they are IT the days of finding small ST below 5inch are long gone

I know my tanks and I'm not going to change my water change schedules based on what someone on here says. That's the scheduling I need to keep the nitrates where we want them, so that's what we do. Why anyone would think that harmful I'm not sure. What makes you assume it's way too much? Why would clean water cause finrot? Finrot is a bacterial infection largely caused by either poor water quality or injury to the fins.

Apparently unless you keep discus a lot of people question doing 50% water changes daily or even every other day

The original question in the thread was if dats are sensitive to meds or anything and only a couple people have mentioned anything about that for some reason. I wasn't intending to ask if my style of fishkeeping or my water change schedules were correct or recieve guesses on why they got finrot (which I'm not sure they even have, they may just be fighting, that's why I'm just watching them right now).

Not meaning to seem rude, it just seems like very few people actually read the thread or the title of the thread.

Thanks to those that gave advice for my original question though.