I think its interesting to note where specific people stand on this issue. Most of the firefighters that have posted say they would have put it out, the non firefighters saying otherwise. I guess its easier to be a politician or government official and make the policy decisions rather than be on the front lines...armchair bad guys?
firefighters watch a house burn because the owner did not pay annual fee.
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I think any responsible firefighter would be ashamed of this. Was talking to an buddy that lives out of state. He's a firefighter and was saying how his entire department, including the Chief, was disgusted by this. Paraphrased, he said, 'We're better than that. We're trained to help people in need and that's what we do. I'm embarassed by what these guys did. It isn't right. It's not what we do."krzr3000;4532869;4532869 said:
yogurt_21;4532290; said:ah, but now you've dabbled in my profession and I hate to tell you, you're wrong.
Principles are based on law, morals are based on a socially defined hegemony. Had you done more than an internet search, you'd know that.
I work for an education company and my bachelors is in English with a specialization in critical theory. Don't think your dictionary.com definitions can outweigh a career of study.
Your post is similar an issue I've seen among many returning servicemen from the mideast and I'm sorry to tell you this based on your responses here you have no compassion. I feel sorry for you and your family that this has happened. I don't know how my brother in law survived 3 tours in Iraq with his compassion intact, but I'm thankful that it is. Apparently not all were so lucky.
step back from you aggression for one second and ask yourself "does the punishment fit the crime?." This isn't an insurgent, this is an american citizen. Did he really deserve to lose his house, his pets, and his heirlooms for a 75$ fee he forgot to pay?
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you seem so quick to judge, so quick to assume he simply didn't want to pay and that he merely wanted a free ride. Have you even looked into it more than the original article? Or do the marines teach you to base that free thinking on single sources with little relevant information?
So your morals tell you that the rule of law mean nothing? Youre suggesting that morals trump principles but could be interpreted to mean that if your heart is warm and fuzzy anarchy is ok.
He said that he intentionally didnt pay,that should be the end of speculation about missing bills and human error. yes all those things could happen and if it had it would be a completely different scenario. Is the system in that county screwed up? Certainly. He knew the rules however, and chose not to follow them. If regulations are not followed or enforced they mean nothing. I believe a man is measured by his integrity and the rules with which he governs his life.
I must say that I am impressed with what they are teaching in the english department these days if you are now enabled with the ability to judge a persons soul, character and experience based on a few postings in a forum.
You know almost nothing about me, my experiences, education or family. Pretty arrogant of you to assume so much. My ability to set my emotions aside does not mean I have no compassion. I would think that training in critical theory would teach you to separate emotion from logic. I am confident that you have no understanding of what the Marine Corps has taught me so dont make such an assumption that everything I have learned I learned from the Marine Corps. Quite honestly I will sleep just fine regardless of your opinion of me so dont bother trying to insult me again. Climb down from your ivory tower and look at the real world. Its a bad place full of bad people, where bad things happen all the time. Rules create order out of chaos and anarchy. You cannot tell people that it is ok to selectively be responsible for their actions. They either are or arent.
I'll spell out my position on this one more time.
I am not going to second guess the situation the firefighters were operating in. Lacking other information I know they followed the rules. That makes them right in my book.
Is the policy flawed and prone to error and abuse? Yes. Was he informed and made a deliberate decision not to pay? By his own admission he deliberately decided not to pay. He didnt make a mistake, he made a decision. Now he's got to live with it.
He (along with his neighbors) don't pay the taxes that support that fire department. I should have been more clear. So, the optional service (instead of paying local taxes that DO support the fire department) is to pay for "fire protection." Like I said, I feel bad for him. It's a terrible situation. But until the law reads differently, I'm not sure he has a leg to stand on. I pay for my services and pay my taxes. I expect services based on those taxes. If I don't pay for something, I'm not sure I expect to get it for free.frnchjeep;4532785; said:
Is it an awful situation? YES.
Is it the fire department's fault the house caught on fire? No
Is it their fault it burned? That's the real question here... I guess Spiderman logic says if you have the ability to stop something from happening, you have the responsibility to stop the event.
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not to offend you or disrespect you or the marines but your a marine so you only do what you are order to do and not to do. either right or wrong you still do it cuz its an order. so i guess even if people were in the house and trapped and burned to death. the firefighter did the right thing cuz they had orders right?
by the way today at work i had to deliver some stuff and i saw a kid on the ground. i found out he hit the curb on his bike and was holding his leg. i pulled over to see if he was ok. after 5 mins he got back up was ok and got back on his bike and rode off. i guess i didnt do the right thing? because my job was to deliever something for work, i didnt know the kid. it was none of my business but yet i stopped and see if i could help. would i be a jerk if i didnt have stopped?
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