Now Ive heard and read about a "fish less" cycling of a tank, but is there cycling of a tank "with fish"?
adding established tank water does nothing much. search for the endless cycling threads that break down into the fishless vs. fish in cycling people. With all the information available to us these days still doing a fish in cycle from scratch (ie without cycled media or using tetra safestart or whatnot) is pretty ignorant, impatient or lazy.
I agree but would add "innocent & unexperienced" to your list. Some people are innocent, trying to get into the hobby and doing research after having already bought the fish, it happens. I think a lot of us fell into this category when new and there is nothing wrong with that.
yes definitely I made that mistake at first