Fish Room and Indoor Pond 24' by 7' by 4'

[cjack]

there truely is no amount of envy i can convey to you over the internet thats as close as i get. 6 asian aros, thats a good amount of awsomeness. beast of a pond for some beastly fish!

 

[AW7020]

Here's an extract of the openoffice spreadsheet which i am using to calculate what are the possible volumes and numbers for the tanks and ponds. The number are then used to estimate the water flow rates, filteration and hence the filter sizes required.

For the 24' Long by 6' Wide and 3' Water Depth i get approx 3K us gallons or about 12k litres of water.

The other numbers are to remind me not to be too greedy on the number of fishes to stock in this case Arowanas (adult size 24") and other bigger fishes.

The plan is to have the water turnover once an hour.
Feeding Waste to be filtered estimate from the current fishes size is now about 1.5Kg to 2Kg of food per week. That included live feed for the arowanas and fish pellets for the Cichlids and Pacus.

 

[fishdance]

Since your living somewhere tropical, I would put in a viewing window in the side of your fishroom wall so you can see the fish from the garden. To save space I would put the filter outside or maybe have a trickle tower up on the roof/ceiling space. Since the pond is in your fishroom I would use this pond as one big sump and use central filtration on most of your tanks.

Once your tanks are installed inside, I dont think you need double doors so I would make the pond the whole length of the shed personally.

 

[AW7020]

Yes FishDance the fish room will definately have the filter outside now. Actually have made this change. Am also considering the Bakki Shower (BS) Filter type from a suggestion by Dr. Joe.

My only concern here would prehaps be the noise of the water (may be a little nigara falls kind of thing?) Other than that the BS would also need a more powerful pump as the design would entails lots of water going thru the media to have any effect.

Since that last suggestion, did a few days of legwork as well as internet searches and it seem that most of the Koi Keepers here in malaysia are using that method rather successfully. Many diy and lots of discussion on the other forums about BS.

Have also changed the high Above ground wall of the tank now to a low above ground height of 18" to enable a better view of the fishes when seated comfortably. This was also another useful suggestion (thks to Kumdoalan) which was added to the drawing.

Am still thinking on the filtration system and will definately have at least a settling chamber b4 the biological section which could be Bakki Shower, Beads/Floating Media? and Japanese Mat. Will have to sort that out soon.

 

[AW7020]

After showing the plans to the would be contractor, He came back with a list of what would be required to complete the construction.

This includes water proofing the cement base and sides with an additive, Strengthening the ground with 10' Wooden piles about 60 in total. Concreting the base and sides with RC. Since the rest of the plans included an additional Kitchen Extension, Wall Bricked with Plastered Fencing they were added to the items as well.

After negotiations were settledthe ground breaking will commence once the paper works and initial payment are through.Here's a few photos of the site for the Fish Room. Width is 26' Wide and each of the column is about 10' in width. Will put up pics of the work in progress as they go.

 

[fishdance]

I dont know what your fish room requirements are but I always choose a 3m high wall instead of a 2.4m or 2.7m wall. With the pitch of the roof being even higher, there is a decent amount of internal ceiling space which can be used for water storage, filtration towers, general storage, shelving etc. I do need to heat my rooms in winter so the extra wall/roof height allows me to fit extra tiers of tanks for practically no extra cost. ie the cost of concrete slab, roofing etc are the same. In summer it gets too hot for me so some whirly gigs in roof or an openable roof hatch may be a good idea. A window opposite the door will also allow venturi air cooling. Some skylights for natural sun if you are breeding morning spawners but dont make these too large as algae greatly adds to maintenance. Green water is a great addition if you are on central filtration so add an extra green-water production tank outside which you can easily turn off (to culture) and on again (to feed). I dont think your room is wide enough to have multiple aisles but I would suggest adding some 100mm underfloor drainage pipe before they pour the concrete slab. These pipes might be used for water drainage or alternatively threading narrower input water pipes or electrical cables. Powerpoints and a water tap etc should also be planned for. The bakki filter (tower) is noisy but a good way to oxygenate and cool cheaply and effectively. If your filter is outside and space is not an issue then some settlement chambers and submerged bio-filter will still do a good job. Might as well add some plants to the filter too. Koi forums for pond filtration is worthwhile reading. I have set up numerous fishrooms so PM if you need any specifics.

 

[AW7020]

Great Points to consider FishDance. Let me sum them here

1. Floor Drains . 100mm / 4" Diameter
2. Higher Internal Ceiling 3M about 10'
3. Ventilation, Windows.
4. Power and Lighting Points, I have elected to use white conduit Wire Piping inside the room as it would give me some flexibility later.
5. Green Water Production Facility - Probably on the RC roof above the Fish Room.
(Maybe one or two water storage tanks as well?)
6. Water Taps would be just on the outside wall for easy access.
(A RO filter would come handy here some where.)
7. A Wash Basin
8. The outside filter will recieve only the morning and a little midday sun as the orientation is easterly with the front facing north. In the afternoon from 1pm onwards it will be shaded by the walls of the house. So i hope not to have too much of an algae issue. Plants etc (Duck Weed? or similar) would be added. hope that they thrive on the
few hours of available sunlight each day.

9. Back of the room will fit a ventilation fan as it gets rather warm over here.
The eastern Wall will get 2 set of louvered windows of 4' by4'

Did not consider some of these and will have to let the contractor add them in asap.

 

[kumdoalan]

Good luck!
We all will pray for you....as building additions to a home have caused many guys in the past to go crazy before the last nail is hammered....

You got a good plan.
You have a good spot to put it.
will be interesting to see the new photos...

I do have a question however, about something in the photos...

In the last two photos there is an odd short pole sticking out of the ground near the street past the end of the fence.(about where you were standing when you took the top photo)
The pole almost looks like it could be marking something underground?

 

[AW7020]

Good luck!
We all will pray for you....as building additions to a home have caused many guys in the past to go crazy before the last nail is hammered....

You got a good plan.
You have a good spot to put it.
will be interesting to see the new photos...

I do have a question however, about something in the photos...

In the last two photos there is an odd short pole sticking out of the ground near the street past the end of the fence.(about where you were standing when you took the top photo)
The pole almost looks like it could be marking something underground?

Thanks for the encouraging words.
The short pole is what our local developer put to ensure that the back lane is not used as access way by the residents. It is removabable when the neighbours need to access the back part of the residences to do renovation or some similar work. In fact there are two of them. One have been moved temp and will be placed back when my neighbour complete their renovation.

In my country this type of residence are of the terrace types with the end ones such as mine with a bit of additional land. The usual sizes are 20' - 26' width with lengths from 60' to > 80'

This particular one is 20' standard width and length 65' a little on the small side. However the estate comes with a large shopping center 5 mins walk, and a large 3 km long man-made lake, running/jogging track, well developed garden. Here's a few pic for your info. The garden is only a few steps from the house. Track is about 5Km just nice for an evening walk or jog with the dog on a lease. Cheers.

 

[draigo]

perfect space for it