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MasterB said:
I'm gona go with a member of the perch family....its no smallie thats for sure, 100% sure. Smallies at that size do not have teeth like that whatsoever or any size for that matter, Ive caught them from a few inches to almost 5lbs, if they had equipment like that when I lipped them, my fingers would be shredded. Bass teeth are closely packed together, pretty much even in size whereas a walleye have actual teeth, spaced out a lot farther apart and are sharp.You can clearly see in the photo the teeth, you wouldnt, most likely be able to see the teeth of a bass at this angle. And they also dont have eyes this large, there is a reason they have this large eye and it doesnt appear to be infected in this photo, or should I say visible infection. My 3lb sauger that I had in my tank, looked almost like this when it died, it had blotches all over the body. Since the fins are down its hard to tell if its a sauger, saugeye or walleye but its probably one of the three.

I posted both photos to my FB wall and everyone there says sauger or walleye.
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I'm sorry but it's not a walleye, a saugeye or a sauger. It was just a young smallie in poor condition. I seen these smallies with infected mouth all times during do a survery on fish populations. Also you don't notice the tail of the "perch" it just don't match to the sauger/walleye tail shape and it lacks of spots in the tail. Just because you post a picture on a FB, doesn't means your friends are experts at ID fishes.

All fish died have blotches so it's not just walleyes or saugers. It's just a young smallie with messed up mouth from improper unhooking.
 
MN_Rebel said:
I'm sorry but it's not a walleye, a saugeye or a sauger. It was just a young smallie in poor condition. I seen these smallies with infected mouth all times during do a survery on fish populations. Also you don't notice the tail of the "perch" it just don't match to the sauger/walleye tail shape and it lacks of spots in the tail. Just because you post a picture on a FB, doesn't means your friends are experts at ID fishes.

All fish died have blotches so it's not just walleyes or saugers. It's just a young smallie with messed up mouth from improper unhooking.
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There is nothing messed up with its mouth, its red, thats it, end of story. I want you to show me " young smallies" that look like this since you see them this way sometimes.

How do you properly unhook a fish? Do you unhook it from left, the right, top, bottom, barbless hook, what????

I didnt take their opinion to make mine, I gave you all mine, I gave you all the ones from the FB friends just as eveyone else has here. The guys on my FB catch these fish on a regular basis.

Im no expert on this and neither are you. You want an expert answer, have the fish sent of to a biologist and he will give you the "expert" answer.

I'm going by the obvious...pronounced teeth, smallies dont have that, sauger/walleye/saugeye do.

You want to see another obvious point, look at the gill plate, that plate is sharp as hell, look how its pointed, a bass is not like that, they are more rounded.

You cant go by the "tail" of a fish every single time, you can see in the photo below two very different tail V on the same exact fish.

You also cant always go by their color pattern each and every time, different fish in different parts on the US will or may look slightly different for many reasons.

The two biggest selling points that this is not a bass are the eyes and teeth, then it would be the gill plate.

Even if we were to toss out everything to identify this fish except for one, the dead giveway are the pronounced TEETH which smallies do not, let me repeat, do not have.

Nobody here knows why or how this fish died, its just dead.

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That teeth size looks right size for smallmouth bass as they do have some teeth but not so toothy like walleye. <--Seriously?? Smallies have teeth like this at 8"? Please show me

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Oh boy. Your arguement ain't help you, man. I respect you but...that is not walleye or sauger. The stripes on the gill cover, the black streaks on the belly, the lack of spots on the caudal fin, the thick body and caudal, the round tips of the caudal fin and the unseparated dorsal fin doesn't match to the profile of walleye/sauger. This fish doesn't have a right finnage and coloration for a sauger or walleye. As for the teeth, bass do have them but that bass' mouth is just messed up from improper unhooking from a careless fisherman. Also I think you need looking at the gill cover more carefully.

Just sent a picture of this fish to four different biologists right now on NANFA Forum and one of them replied: SMB.

Honesty you just got work up for nothing and it's just a messed up smallie and nothing else. By the way you know that I took Ichthyology, Fisheries Management, Aquatic Biology and now working for DNR Fisheries as an aide for Surveyist on nongame/game fish populations. I had two weeks of training on how to ID a fish out in the field while on the internship.
 
MN_Rebel said:
Oh boy. Your arguement ain't help you, man. I respect you but...that is not walleye or sauger. The stripes on the gill cover, the black streaks on the belly, the lack of spots on the caudal fin, the thick body and caudal, the round tips of the caudal fin and the unseparated dorsal fin doesn't match to the profile of walleye/sauger. This fish doesn't have a right finnage and coloration for a sauger or walleye. As for the teeth, bass do have them but that bass' mouth is just messed up from improper unhooking from a careless fisherman. Also I think you need looking at the gill cover more carefully.

Just sent a picture of this fish to four different biologists right now on NANFA Forum and one of them replied: SMB.

Honesty you just got work up for nothing and it's just a messed up smallie and nothing else. By the way you know that I took Ichthyology, Fisheries Management, Aquatic Biology and now working for DNR Fisheries as an aide for Surveyist on nongame/game fish populations. I had two weeks of training on how to ID a fish out in the fiel while on the internship.
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Just cause your an expert and your an ichthyologist doesn't mean you r always right and as for the biologists that's 1/4 why dint we have the person get it DNA tested


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mr fishy said:
Just cause your an expert and your an ichthyologist doesn't mean you r always right and as for the biologists that's 1/4 why dint we have the person get it DNA tested


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No needed to get it DNA tested. Gamefish are easy to be IDed than small fishes such as minnows, darters, scuplins etc. I don't see anything that screams sauger/walleye beside the tooth but the tooth isn't important trait for ID a fish.
 
MN_Rebel I would love to see a smallie with teeth. Thats the one thing thats bothered me with what you've said. Last time I checked all bass had sand paper like teeth and that goes for stripers, largemouth, spotted, and smallmouth. I mean MasterB hit the nail on the head with the gill plate no bass has that sharp of a gill plate anywhere. Now when you asked me if I agreed with you that its a smallie there was no way I could answer that with those eyes and teeth. No smallmouth has them and to say that MasterB's friends are no experts niether are you or I. Your arguement on the tall shape doent match anything in the perch family look at a yellow perchs tail and compare. Its the exact same thing I've kept perch for a few years and I can easily second that. Walleye will vary with forked and not forked tails I've seen them with both. I mean if you just cut the head off of that fish it fits the perchs family with the teeth putting it at either a walleye saugeye or sauger. That large of an eye that close to the mouth with teeth in it matches something from the perch family. For an 8' fish like the person said these teeth would match up to a smaller fish. I respect your opinion like I said but don't go and bash people for their opinions. If you guys would like I'm sending this to a friend of mine that graduated from my college ith a fisheries biology degree he should know the correct answer on this.
 
So you don't trust someone with a fisheries biology degree which I have, but you would trust your own friend with a fisheries biology degree? I emailed the pictures to the biologists and they said its a SMB.
 
My professor wrote the fisheries biology program the books you studied came from my professor at my school. If you don't believe it take a gander at Mansfield University in Mansfield Pa. Every college that has the program in the country the books all the material came from my professor. I'll let him take a look at it I don't think you can get much higher then him


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