Florida Frost taking care of invasive exotics problem?

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The cold killed off a huge number of invasives. I saw it myself about a month ago...

I go to Myakka State Park in Sarasota, FL pretty regularly to perform fish surveys and remove invasives. About a month ago I went and the first thing I noticed was the smell. There were floating fish all around the banks, with some dead on the bottom as well. I literally saw thousands of dead tilapia, plecostomus, walking catfish, and brown hoplos (I had to wade through them). The water level was also about 3' higher than normal. I only saw one dead native, a decomposing sunfish.

The collection yielded hundreds of native sunfish, mollies, and killifish; as well as one invasive: a large tilapia. Normally we also see jewel cichlids, and tilapia usually outnumber sunfish 20:1. We didn't see the diversity we usually do, but the invasives definitely took most of the blow. 6 weeks before that we caught hundreds of plecos, tilapia, jewel cichlids, and brown hoplos. Then suddenly they were all gone.
 
Pomatomus;3891327;3891327 said:
The cold killed off a huge number of invasives. I saw it myself about a month ago...

I go to Myakka State Park in Sarasota, FL pretty regularly to perform fish surveys and remove invasives. About a month ago I went and the first thing I noticed was the smell. There were floating fish all around the banks, with some dead on the bottom as well. I literally saw thousands of dead tilapia, plecostomus, walking catfish, and brown hoplos (I had to wade through them). The water level was also about 3' higher than normal. I only saw one dead native, a decomposing sunfish.

The collection yielded hundreds of native sunfish, mollies, and killifish; as well as one invasive: a large tilapia. Normally we also see jewel cichlids, and tilapia usually outnumber sunfish 20:1. We didn't see the diversity we usually do, but the invasives definitely took most of the blow. 6 weeks before that we caught hundreds of plecos, tilapia, jewel cichlids, and brown hoplos. Then suddenly they were all gone.
Yeah! Unless these exotics are in someones tank they need to be removed!
 
warmouth;3891365; said:
Yeah! Unless these exotics are in someones tank they need to be removed!
Hi I totaly agree with you, however if you beleave all non native introducions are bad then think again;) As a general rule yes non natives are to be avoided in the wild but cernatly not allways. If you want I ll give some interesting examples that have poped up here and there
 
coura;3893900;3893900 said:
Hi I totaly agree with you, however if you beleave all non native introducions are bad then think again;) As a general rule yes non natives are to be avoided in the wild but cernatly not allways. If you want I ll give some interesting examples that have poped up here and there
Ok Coura Im game, what non-native introductions have there been without harming the local ecosystem; and what part of Europe are you in?
 
Well, everybody loves trout.
 
warmouth;3906961; said:
Ok Coura Im game, what non-native introductions have there been without harming the local ecosystem; and what part of Europe are you in?
First the 2 best of all in my opinion since the introductions now have a very positive inpact in conservation and in the first case in mantaining the local ecossistems. As you may know the Hawaian islands were originaly home to a imense diversity of indeginous bird species wich filled every single ecological nich avaible to them. Particulary interesting and at the same time inportant as seed dispersers and polinators were the very diversifyed group of the hawaian honey creepers (I think they are called that way, I didnt read anything before coming here:confused:). Unfornatly like 30-40% of that group alongside all of the giant fligth less gosse group and some others went extinct after the polinesians reached Hawai and then afterwards another like 25% of that taxa went exctinct after the europeans came. Most are now exctinct and alongside with them most of the native polinators and seed dispersers of the hawaian forests. The few left are mostly restricted to very isolated locations in the mountains, so most of the lowland forests are basicly free of native polinators and seed dispersers. Why are they still triving? Because a long time ago the europeans brougth to the islands a hand full of non native small brids species wich as it turns out are doing a great job dispersing the seeds and polinating the flowers of the native plants and as such helping to preserve what´s left of the hawaian forests (they are NOT competing with the honey creepers and they didnt contributed to their decline wich was a deadly mix of habitat destruction, introduction of much more dangerous invasives and specialy avian malaria, brougth by the time of the polinesians colinization). And not only that. One of the "invasives" is the java sparow wich is greatly endangered in its native range, however its triving in the Hawai islands. Ho knows maybe in the future specimens from Hawai can be reolocated back to Java!
Another example. A long time ago the brithish brougth to New Zeland a particular species of bumble bee wich trived in its new land. This bumble bee is exclusive to Britain and can be found nowhere else. As it turns out, in its original home land the bumble bee got exctinct and now cientists are trying to bring it back from New Zeland, if it wasnt for this introduction this species of bumble bee would be EXCTINCT!
I will give you more soon, now Im with a head egg...
 
coura;3908866; said:
First the 2 best of all in my opinion since the introductions now have a very positive inpact in conservation and in the first case in mantaining the local ecossistems. As you may know the Hawaian islands were originaly home to a imense diversity of indeginous bird species wich filled every single ecological nich avaible to them. Particulary interesting and at the same time inportant as seed dispersers and polinators were the very diversifyed group of the hawaian honey creepers (I think they are called that way, I didnt read anything before coming here:confused:). Unfornatly like 30-40% of that group alongside all of the giant fligth less gosse group and some others went extinct after the polinesians reached Hawai and then afterwards another like 25% of that taxa went exctinct after the europeans came. Most are now exctinct and alongside with them most of the native polinators and seed dispersers of the hawaian forests. The few left are mostly restricted to very isolated locations in the mountains, so most of the lowland forests are basicly free of native polinators and seed dispersers. Why are they still triving? Because a long time ago the europeans brougth to the islands a hand full of non native small brids species wich as it turns out are doing a great job dispersing the seeds and polinating the flowers of the native plants and as such helping to preserve what´s left of the hawaian forests (they are NOT competing with the honey creepers and they didnt contributed to their decline wich was a deadly mix of habitat destruction, introduction of much more dangerous invasives and specialy avian malaria, brougth by the time of the polinesians colinization). And not only that. One of the "invasives" is the java sparow wich is greatly endangered in its native range, however its triving in the Hawai islands. Ho knows maybe in the future specimens from Hawai can be reolocated back to Java!
Another example. A long time ago the brithish brougth to New Zeland a particular species of bumble bee wich trived in its new land. This bumble bee is exclusive to Britain and can be found nowhere else. As it turns out, in its original home land the bumble bee got exctinct and now cientists are trying to bring it back from New Zeland, if it wasnt for this introduction this species of bumble bee would be EXCTINCT!
I will give you more soon, now Im with a head egg...

You cannot possibly believe that these are positive impacts. Your first point is speculation that native plants are surviving because of invasive pollinators. You just said that the Europeans brought invasive birds which helped the plants, yet you already stated that 25% of one native taxon disappeared after the Europeans came. You see no connection there? No competition?

The situation concerning the bees is an odd coincidence. New Zealand has more invasive species than anywhere else. It's impossible to justify the spread of such organisms because we made them extinct in their normal range when it can cause natives to become extinct.
 
warmouth;3906961; said:
Ok Coura Im game, what non-native introductions have there been without harming the local ecosystem; and what part of Europe are you in?

For starters common house geckos .

They compete with nothing at all certainly not green tree frogs nor anoles and unlike them prefer man made structures they are even found in downtown cement city Miami . Great night mosquito eaters.

I would continue with few others (esp certain cichlids) but my posts on these things wind up being deleted lol so will just leave it as is.
 
Louie;3909122; said:
For starters common house geckos .

They compete with nothing at all certainly not green tree frogs nor anoles and unlike them prefer man made structures they are even found in downtown cement city Miami . Great night mosquito eaters.

I would continue with few others (esp certain cichlids) but my posts on these things wind up being deleted lol so will just leave it as is.

Do house geckos eat the same food as other animals? Because that is competition. And to my knowledge, they do.
 
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