I<3fish;4641187; said:
yes ur right, like i said, its not as effective as drip, but if u cant be there an u got someone that can do it for u, its the fastest easiest way. imo.
for all the people that have had pbass shipped to them
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yes ur right, like i said, its not as effective as drip, but if u cant be there an u got someone that can do it for u, its the fastest easiest way. imo.
Okay so my uncle was able to receive the package and he just dumped them in like some of you said to do. When i came home half of them were dead with one in the belly of one of the orinos. They came in a lot smaller and skinnier than i imagined unless he starved for the trip. It says 2+" and the 3 dead are smaller than 2. I was a little disappointed with my first order of fish sent to my house and john is very reputable. The remaining 3 look okay and are eating except for one that got beat up pretty bad and doesnt look like its gonna make it. My orinos were just meatier than the occells but they all are 2 inches. So im kinda crushed and pissed but its really my fault. I just thought he had a little sense to not put them in that tank if they were that much bigger. this all could have been avoided if i had been home. At least my parents are reimbursing me some money to get 4 or 3 replacements. Ive learned my lesson though discuss shipping plans before sending in your payment. Snookn was just way toooo efficient and quick with getting the payment and sending them. I thought he was gonna discuss shipment after the payment was sent but he just sent them. I was surprised at that unless its normal for vendors to do this. Is it? The WORST part is that snookn emailed that i could just leave the fish in the box till i had gotten back from school a hour AFTER it arrived. JUST my kinda luck
Guys, I'm not trying to start anything, but "PH shock" is an outdated myth. The thing one has to worry about is called Osmoregulation. This means the ability of a fish to balance the water in their bodies to the water around them. Fish can tolerate up to 1.0 PH level difference by something like C02, or something relatively harmless. 1.0 difference is huge! Something like 10 times. The problems develop when the cause of such a huge swing is caused by something like ammonia, then it can become lethal. Have you ever received a shipment of fish delivered overnight, opened the bags, and smelled a strong smell of ammonia? This is bad, and the fish should be placed in clean water immediately. No fumbling around with dripping and such. Why? Because when fish expel waste in a sealed bag, nothing really happens until you open the bag. Once opened to fresh air, harmful ammonia immediately builds. This is why you get the smell when you open the bag. This changes PH of the water in the bag faster than you can say, "man that smells like ammonia". This is why most everyone into expensive fish like Discus these days (well, except for a few) use what is known in the trade as the "drop and plop" method, to prevent this from happening to fish that cost up to $300 each. This is done by floating unopened bags in the tank for around 30 minutes to equalize the temp. Then the bag is opened, the bag is poured through a large net over a bucket, trapping the fish in the net, and allowing bag water to pour into a bucket, and the fish placed in the tank. The fish recover fairly quickly, and it's much safer than allowing expensive fish to risk having their gills burned by ammonia exposure.
Hillbilly arent prime and other such products like kordon made for just that purpose. So you can drip?hillbilly;4641604; said:
HULON;4641684; said:
In theory, yes. Do I want to risk it with my own fish? No. Fish can adjust much easier to clean water (osmoregulation) than to dirty water. I want the fish in clean water as soon as possible. IMO, nothing compares to the real thing. (clean water) I have never lost a fish from doing "drop and plop" since I started using it over a decade ago. I've lost fish due to leaking bags and shipping problems, but that's a whole other story.
troutking;4641361; said:Okay so my uncle was able to receive the package and he just dumped them in like some of you said to do. When i came home half of them were dead with one in the belly of one of the orinos. They came in a lot smaller and skinnier than i imagined unless he starved for the trip. It says 2+" and the 3 dead are smaller than 2. I was a little disappointed with my first order of fish sent to my house and john is very reputable. The remaining 3 look okay and are eating except for one that got beat up pretty bad and doesnt look like its gonna make it. My orinos were just meatier than the occells but they all are 2 inches. So im kinda crushed and pissed but its really my fault. I just thought he had a little sense to not put them in that tank if they were that much bigger. this all could have been avoided if i had been home. At least my parents are reimbursing me some money to get 4 or 3 replacements. Ive learned my lesson though discuss shipping plans before sending in your payment. Snookn was just way toooo efficient and quick with getting the payment and sending them. I thought he was gonna discuss shipment after the payment was sent but he just sent them. I was surprised at that unless its normal for vendors to do this. Is it? The WORST part is that snookn emailed that i could just leave the fish in the box till i had gotten back from school a hour AFTER it arrived. JUST my kinda luck
sorry to hear. part of hobby, live an learn. it sucks but keeps us going. i have had the same happen before. i was glad i learned bc as i got further in the hobby the fish i was geting was alot more money. hang in there, some lessons in the hobby suck. but still better to learn them now.
I have done the drop and plop many times but and just recently started dripping thinking it was better ..HAHA!!! there i go thinking againhillbilly;4641717; said:In theory, yes. Do I want to risk it with my own fish? No. Fish can adjust much easier to clean water (osmoregulation) than to dirty water. I want the fish in clean water as soon as possible. IMO, nothing compares to the real thing. (clean water) I have never lost a fish from doing "drop and plop" since I started using it over a decade ago. I've lost fish due to leaking bags and shipping problems, but that's a whole other story.
Unwittinly doing it right before and changing the way i do it trying to be safer live and learn LOL!!!
Isnt drip acclimation for saltwater fish to adjust to the salinity of a new sw tank ? therefor pointless in freshwater systems .Ive always just floated them for 15 minutes or more depending on the situation and then dumped the bag into a net like earlier quoted the temperature is more important have you ever jumped into a cold pool or a hot bath it shocks our systems imagine what the little guys feel being left in it already stressed and then you punch them in the face with temp swings .
