Found salamander eggs in drainage creek, now what?

[foto69man]

This is awesome...I have never hatched anything, so I am jealous that you get to take them from stage 1 to however long they make it for...can't wait to see more pics down the road

 

[chuby]

congrats man. in my opinion, you were curious which all of us are. granted curiousity may have killed the cat, but it may have saved some salys. they look interesting, of course i would try to remove as many of the living ones away from the egg mass so that if something happens and things start to rot, your water doesn't go bad and kill them all.

Thanks, thats good advice!

Very nice are they eating?

I really cant tell. I put some BB's in the tank ffor them and that made a few go crazy and they started swimming around a bunch so I guess some are.

Thanks for the support. I am looking forward to seeing these little guys grow up and the chalenges they will bring!

 

[fisherman1035]

leave them what would u do with them if u were going to use them for fishing then do ur reasearch on how to raise them

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

WHAT?? ever heard of a period? lol

 

[chuby]

leave them what would u do with them if u were going to use them for fishing then do ur reasearch on how to raise them

That was the most confusing thing I have ever read! hahaha

 

[Coryd55]

The whole reason I posted this was to find out peoples opinions about the colection and housing of amphibians found localy in the wild. You sir are the one who has become self ritious in thinking that your opinion is the only one which matters. This is an OPEN forum that alows people to FREELY post their opinion, it is not a "your wrong and im right so f*** off' forum.
I do however apreciate you sharing your opinion and for posting the link so that I could read the laws of my state. I agree that laws are in place for a reason but also in this case you need to use some common sence. If you recall I found the eggs in a drainage creek which most likely means they aren't "rare", and secondly most of the laws are prohibiting the keeping of endangered, non-native, and invasive sp.

Lastly, I want to adress the comment you made about my colection of these eggs. You said that what I did was iresponsible and I agree. What I did without reading any state laws was iresponsible, but so is persanaly atacking others who have differing opinions from yours. You are cousing a mess out of a thread that was intended for educational perposes for me and others who may need information about this subject.

I would like to ask you to no longer post on this tread unless your comment(s) are constructive or helpfull.

I believe that the rest of the people on this thread feel the same way as I do but I hope that they will not offend you if you do decide to comment again. Just let this be a warning. I have no hard feelings tward you but if you do decide to continue in the arrogant manner you have shown so far I will seek out those who are in positions of higher athority than me to take action, so that no one else is met with such conceded indignity.

I want to make this clear:

I never intended to "attack" anyone's opinion. I stated my opinion and received a swift hostile message from another member. My message was stated in a clear and educated manner. However, the arrogant and belligerent reply from the aforementioned member was attacking my opinion and eventually me.

I agree that this is an open forum, so I should not be flamed for posting my opinion, which coincides with your state law and common sense.

I also agree that this should be an educational experience, but not in the same way that you do. People should learn from this to not collect something from the wild unless they can identify the species and confirm that it is indeed legal to take and keep the animal

I disagree that my previous comments were not "constructive or helpful". My comment on this thread was among the most constructive and helpful, I believe.

I also disagree with this statement: "secondly most of the laws are prohibiting the keeping of endangered, non-native, and invasive sp." Invasive and non-native species are usually completely legal, but there are regulations prohibiting release of these species into the wild. Think about it, all tropical fish are non-native to every state in the US. Most are from Africa or South America. However, you are correct in saying that laws prohibit the keeping of endangered species (ESA).

What you don't seem to understand is that I was the one that was attacked and flamed for having a different opinion and that nobody on "your side" has made a constructive or intelligible comment about myself or this thread.

So, with that said, I hope you, and all other people that have read this thread, take state law and individual species requirements into consideration before you collect from the wild again.

Good luck with your salamanders and please do not take this comment as if it was meant in hostility, because that was not the tone I intended.

If you wish to discuss this further, feel free to shoot me a PM.

-Cory

 

[chuby]

I see now, after reading you op, that you didn't intend any disrespect. However in my last reply on this topic I was addresing the second post in which you called Lepisosteus platyrhincus a fool, which I saw as inflamitory.

When I was talking about the forum being educational, I was saying it in a way to include the laws/ethics and carring/keeping of the salys. The thread has as you can see taken a turn tward whether or not my actions were right or wrong.

Something we can both take away from this is that forums can be deceptive and void of emotion. How we determine somthing that is posted may or may not be how the person intended it to be taken as was the case in part of this debate.

On a final note; I don't wish to have a "side", I agree with you on more than I dissagree with you on. I do apreciate the kind words and hope that if you have any more advice/knowladge that you would not hesitate to share. I would really love to know your whole veiw on keeping reptiles/amphibians/fish in captivity, and for that matter anyone elses opinion.
Is keeping these creatures unethical? is it ok? are there any exeptions? why or why not?

 

[Coryd55]

Thanks for the reply.

Obviously there is a unethical side to taking any animals and keeping them in captivity. It would be nice if everyone could have 10,000 gallon tanks to naturally house our aquatic animals, but that is not remotely possible for most of us. I think that keeping fish is ethical, as long as we maintain a decent amount of swimming space (appropriate to the individual species) and maintain water parameters (pH, nitrate, nitrite, ammonia, hardness, etc.). We have to make some compromises to keep our fish.

However, I think that it is unethical to keep active or large fish, or any other animals, in less than adequate enclosures. For example, I don't think Red Tail Catfish should be kept in anything less than a several hundred gallon tank.

A textbook example of this would be the keeping of dolphins in captivity (Seaworld and "swim with dolphin" establishments). I am adamant in my opinion of these places as being irresponsible establishments. Bottlenose dolphins (Tursiops truncatus), the most commonly kept species, swim, on average, 25 to 30 miles per day. The average enclosure is undoubtedly large, but proportional to the activity of the animal, all of the enclosures are miniscule. Dolphins are different, as well, in that they are very personal and social animals. Establishments, scientific, recereational, or commercial, do not house these animals adequately.

I urge everyone that reads this to see the documentary The Cove. It speaks not only about the aforementioned point, but also about dolphin slaughter in Taiji, Japan (23,000 yearly), resale of dolphin meat as whale meat, and mercury contamination.

I assure you that this is not a biased message and that I sincerely promise that seeing this documentary will change your view of captive animals.

I still keep fish, but I make sure that they are appropriately taken care of. I feel that it is necessary for places like MFK, that love the hobby, the fish and animals in general, to know how captivity changes an animal and it is also necessary to spread the word about The Cove.

PLEASE go rent The Cove, check out the website (http://www.takepart.com/thecove/), or watch it online. It is well worth the time it takes to watch it.

I sound like a psycho PETA member, I know, but that is not the message I am trying to send.

Just be aware and do something.

 

[chuby]

WOW, thats verry similar to my veiw on the keeping of animals such as fish. I don't think you sound like a PETA member though. I know that I am against keeping fish, (and others) who have been in the wild for a long period. I don't however think it is unethicle to take young fish/animals and provide them with adaqite housing becouse at that period they are able to adapt muc better than an adult.

The Cove sounds like an intresting film/documentary, and I'll try and check it out as soon as I can.

I think you will be happy to hear that when I was getting the saly eggs I found some older aquatic salamanders, (long tailed saly), which I left.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

cory, SQUIRREL!!

i dunno, just felt like jumping in. lol.

ps, cory u came across like a butt first!! lol. but its all good!! We are all homies!! dysphunctional but homies. lol

in fact, i challenge u to a duel!! lol