Gar and Saratoga fight

[E_americanus]

Once again you hide behind the logical fallacy of the argument from aurthority because the gator gars you have kept ended up in pickling jars or passed on to others becasue you couldn't accommodate the fish for life.
Trophy collector is the trem coined by your estemed collegue polly for people like myself and others who ignore your advice and keep large predatory species in community tanks. If my gar was not happy and healthy it's growth would have been stunted, it would have killed it's tanks mates or been killed already.
None of this has happen, so I find it exceptional because it flies in the face of every thing you claim.
My gar has grown as fast or faster than what I have read in literature and on this forum in regards to what is expected within the 1st year. Not bad for a fish shouldn't be thriving or isn't being adequately housed.
There are always exceptions to the rules and science just like many things, fish keeping including are not fixed into absolutisms.
I can only judge what works for me and what I have planned for my fish.
I plan to keep the fish for life and not pass it on to others or add it to a specimen jar collection when it out grows my accommodatation or my use for it has finished like yourself.
I hope this answers all your questions and addresses your assumptions
Happy fish keeping guys

i'll respond with more later...

you're understanding of the literature is clearly limited, and i thought I used jargon from time to time, but your usage of BS laced with sketchy information takes the cake.

how long have you had your gar for? how long have you kept any of your gars for? you can only comment on what works for you...that is correct, but also realize that a larger sample size of work speaks greater volumes than your exceptions, asinine posts, and lack of respect for established trends, sound advice, and responsible fishkeeping.

your gar's growth is far from exceptional...i would say at best, you're just lucky (or at least your fish is) --
--solomon

 

[Polypterus]

Once again you hide behind the logical fallacy of the argument from aurthority because the gator gars you have kept ended up in pickling jars or passed on to others becasue you couldn't accommodate the fish for life.
Oh yes how horrible they actually went to expand some sort of knowledge of the fish... Bad Solomon Bad...

Trophy collector is the trem coined by your estemed collegue polly for people like myself and others who ignore your advice and keep large predatory species in community tanks.
No.. that term is devised and created entirely for people of your type that exhibit the same pathological disorder...Has nothing to do with not following anything...

If my gar was not happy and healthy it's growth would have been stunted,
Do you know what that would be if you actually saw it?

it would have killed it's tanks mates or been killed already.
I still have a Northern Hogsucker and a small colony of Starhead topminnows that has been living with Two Longnosed gars for over 4 years... So what???? thats not the usual outcome and I'd never think it would be or say it is.

None of this has happen, so I find it exceptional because it flies in the face of every thing you claim.
What is exceptional is your lack of knowledge and experiance in Atractosteus spatula.. Why are you trying to talk like you know anything of them?
My gar has grown as fast or faster than what I have read in literature and on this forum in regards to what is expected within the 1st year. Not bad for a fish shouldn't be thriving or isn't being adequately housed.
And why is your assumption of them Growing faster somehow seen as a good thing.. Ever though it is not? And again what are you measuring this by anyhow? What in the literature are you comparing this?
There are always exceptions to the rules and science just like many things, fish keeping including are not fixed into absolutisms.
DUH.. I think you actually quoted me saying the same damn thing...
I can only judge what works for me and what I have planned for my fish.
I plan to keep the fish for life and not pass it on to others or add it to a specimen jar collection when it out grows my accommodatation or my use for it has finished like yourself.
To each their own... Which comes back to some of us are not keeping these fish for hobby reasons.. What we do with our fish is really not a concern of yours.. Obviously you will never actually read a Scientific journal so why would you be concerned? Not like any of this will ever mean anything to you..or you will ever see the outcome that may far surpass your stupid little tank with a few fish in it.
I hope this answers all your questions and addresses your assumptions
Happy fish keeping guys
Nope... did not anwser a damn thing and I'm keeping my assumptions as you keep reinforceing them

Comments in red..

Also I'd like to add I could care less what the OP has to say about these fish or how he cares to work with one. That is his issue and problem.

Also want to reiterate.. If you don't want one or more to question you then do not post in public.. It is not "your thread" it is the communities thread...
Once something is "in the wild" it is very much open game..

I personally have no issues with valid comments or opinions on any of my concepts, experiance or research. I do not and have never claimed to be an expert on gar.. I happen to know better and know we have LOTS to learn.. This you can find me saying often in many areas. It is generally our peers that have placed us in the higher levels of these area (you included) because of our knowledge and experiance. We are not self proclaimed messiahs and really have no interest in doing anything more than continue our work toward the further understanding of Lepisosteids. We have never placed ourselves or made ourselves "gar gods".. You and your peers have made that title Not us. We speak from research and experiance on a very specific subject of which the total is way above the average hobbyist.. Listen or do not that is you choice.

What is the point of this idiotic thread again?
I'm still looking for a reason... There is no question. there is no real point to it.

Well except for entertainment of with it is very entertaining as of late..

 

[E_americanus]

Comments in red..

Also I'd like to add I could care less what the OP has to say about these fish or how he cares to work with one. That is his issue and problem.

Also want to reiterate.. If you don't want one or more to question you then do not post in public.. It is not "your thread" it is the communities thread...
Once something is "in the wild" it is very much open game..

I personally have no issues with valid comments or opinions on any of my concepts, experiance or research. I do not and have never claimed to be an expert on gar.. I happen to know better and know we have LOTS to learn.. This you can find me saying often in many areas. It is generally our peers that have placed us in the higher levels of these area (you included) because of our knowledge and experiance. We are not self proclaimed messiahs and really have no interest in doing anything more than continue our work toward the further understanding of Lepisosteids. We have never placed ourselves or made ourselves "gar gods".. You and your peers have made that title Not us. We speak from research and experiance on a very specific subject of which the total is way above the average hobbyist.. Listen or do not that is you choice.

What is the point of this idiotic thread again?
I'm still looking for a reason... There is no question. there is no real point to it.

Well except for entertainment of with it is very entertaining as of late..

couldn't have said it better myself.--
--solomon

PS-- i would also like to reiterate that richard and i have said this over and over on multiple forums...we're still very much learning about these fishes, and i (and i'm sure many others) think that is one of the really cool things about keeping/learning about them...there is so much that is not well known. at the same time, we don't try to give advice on issues that we don't feel are solidly (or at least logically) founded either.

 

[benzjamin13]

Since you Kids can't play nice, Thread gets closed!