Gar Legality

[toyfish]

just so you know, i have duplicate IDs because i had some problem figuring out my account and how to post. yes, my name is simeon chambers. toyfish and maybe a handle of replicafish as well. i just made a mess accidentally registering i think.

as for the law, in court, the specific exemption for private aquaria for gars (and other species) is more specific and thus would override the so called prohibition of owning gars in colorado via the online Colorado Division of Wildlife regulations. The published (paper copies) of the Colorado DOW fishing regulations that are circulated everywhere would act as the law and override the perhaps misplaced or inaccurate text on the website. again, the gars could not be released, or intended to be released. the intent of the law is clear. the verbiage is not with the inconsistency. if you sort it out, and go by the published written rules, the private aquaria exemption is clearly stated.

simeon

 

[Bderick67]

x2.

I referenced Oddball's thread on fish legality when making that thread, but if you want more proof here's a link to the Colorado Division of Wildlife's list of Exotic Pets and Prohibited Wildlife which clearly states that all true gars are illegal to possess.

Also, double account much?

You may have referenced Oddball's thread, but you must've missed that which had been oversized and high lighted in bold red. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=477431&postcount=6 Gars are legal to own as pets in the private aquaria in the State of Colorado. You can PM pwmin on this he has done the lots of legwork regarding this. The link you posted also states the following on page two

Legal Non-Mammals

These are the non-mammal species that are legal to own in Colorado:

All tropical and subtropical birds, including parrots, in the order Passeriformes.
All tropical and subtropical fishes, including common gold fish and koi.
All tropical and non-native subtropical frogs, toads, snakes, and lizards. All venomous snakes require a license and proof of commercial use.
All marine vertebrates and invertebrates, except anadromous and catadromous species.
All tropical and non-native subtropical turtles. Caimens are legal. Alligators and crocodiles require a license.

So the site contradicts itself. Best to go and read the actual stated law.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

caiman legal but not gator? ooooook then

 

[Wiggles92]

I have since checked the most recent edition of that law, and you're right: Gars are legal under Article VII, Chapter 13 of law that this link is to. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

Just for the record: The CO DOW supersedes the CO DOA, right? I'll point that out when I revise the thread in order to prevent any future misunderstandings.

Anyway, I hate how states have contradicting laws and other info; they're so frustrating... On to fixing that thread...

 

[Wiggles92]

just so you know, i have duplicate IDs because i had some problem figuring out my account and how to post. yes, my name is simeon chambers. toyfish and maybe a handle of replicafish as well. i just made a mess accidentally registering i think.

simeon

PM one of the mods; they can get that fixed for you. It's TOS violation to have two usernames, that's all.

 

[Wiggles92]

Okay, I just sent a mod the changes for the "Gar Legality Around the World" thread, so that should be up-to-date now.

 

[Zoodiver]

One of the grey areas to this rule could be an outdoor set up (pond). Because it's not enclosed / fully controlled, they may not consider it as falling under typical 'private aquaria'.

 

[xander]

will update the legality thread soon

 

[Oddball]

I'll concede that gars are legal in CO. But, not because of what's been posted by toyfish. By his argument (no pissing match offered), along with gars, the allowance also includes walking cats, zebra mussels, and snakeheads.
Hence, the argument (I didn't say pissing match) that 'gars (and other species)' are exempt from the prohibited list if kept in public aquaria is misleading and false.

 

[Oddball]

BTW, if a 'pissing match' is not welcome, I'd avoid making this sort of opening post without providing legitimate substantiation. Offering zero backup in the opening post just leaves a wide door open for argument.