Geo ID? And others...

[Conner]

I just picked these two Geo's up from my LFS for $10 each. They had them labeled as Dicrozoster, but the employee said he thinks they're Surinamensis. I need an ID on them.

I also picked up 3 Brasiliensis (I believe) from the same store on Friday. They have slightly different fin coloration than my current 3 Brasiliensis, but otherwise they look the same. I'd also like a confirmation on that ID though in the other pictures.

Lastly, I've also got 3 Satanoperca jurapari in this tank.

Let fly with the ID's, and let me know what you think . (I'm hoping that I'll be moving all 11 eartheaters into their own 100g 48Lx24Wx21T tank in the next couple weeks.)

 

[Conner]

Nobody?

 

[clgkag]

I don't think it is dicrozoster. It is lacking the marking below the eyes.

 

[Conner]

I don't know, from the pics I'm finding online, these look more like dicrozoster than surinamensis...

 

[adrisdad]

This is one of the hardest species to id imo. Nearly all of the Surinamensis species look very similar and many stores just simply lump them together as G. Surinamensis because it is a familiar name when in fact true Surinamensis aren't imported all that often. I have 2 Geophagus Abalios that very similar to these guys, but again I have read the Dicrozoster are most commonly confused with Abalios. I had to get a definite ID from Jeff Rapps at Tangled Up in Cichlids to be certain.

 

[peathenster]

Do you have pics that show the lateral bars better? They look like G. abalios.

I know you didn't ask for comments on this, but those G. brasiliensis can get chunky and potentially aggressive in a hurry. 6 might be too much for a 100g...

 

[JK47]

Do you have pics that show the lateral bars better? They look like G. abalios.

I know you didn't ask for comments on this, but those G. brasiliensis can get chunky and potentially aggressive in a hurry. 6 might be too much for a 100g...

I agree with you Peter, they do look G. abalios to me too. There does not appear to be the preopercular mark that G. dicrozoster would have. Not in these photo's though. The Satanoperca jurupari and Geophagus brasiliensis varient are correct though.




^ this one looks different to me though. Different caudal pattern and very prominent lateral barring. Thoughts?

 

[Conner]

Thanks guys. I will either bump the brasiliensis up to a 125g with some other semi-agressive cichlids, or I will move the other eartheaters out of the tank so they have it to themselves.

Also, the two ID'd as dicro's at the store, do look like the same species to me. I will take some new pics either before or after work tomorrow now that they've had a chance to settle in. I'm not really worried about what they turn out to be, other than just curiosity (and maybe so I can increase the school eventually). I like them and got a pretty good deal on them (IMO).

The one thing that gives me pause on the brasiliensis ID of the new 3, is that they aren't showing the prominent black mark on the side like my other 3 brasiliensis are showing at a slightly smaller size. They have kind of a ghost of a spot, but my original 3 have definite black spots there.

 

[Conner]

6 might be too much for a 100g...

Even in a 4x2? If that's the case, as I said before, they can be upgraded to a standard 125g, and possibly larger if needed.

 

[peathenster]

Even in a 4x2? If that's the case, as I said before, they can be upgraded to a standard 125g, and possibly larger if needed.

well, males are going to be 10"+ and thick. Phylogenetically they (the "G. brasiliensis complex") are quite distant from the "regular" Geophagus species and, in terms of temperament, they actually resemble some semi-aggressive CA species. I've never kept 6 before....just guessing