I was just gonna say that, his fish looks like mine at 8", maybe even less mature, but then again that jd looks mature so it has to be atleast 6" I'd guess? The wolf is longer, so I'd guess no more than 10". These fish are wild caught so that explains its thinness which is not why I say it looks immature, but the eyes, are what make me say this. And I've not had luck with jaguar cichlids and my curu at all as well, sucks as they are one of the two cichlids I like. Have not tried my luck at the argentea yet.