Well I have a female motoro already . I would like 3 rays so wonder if to go 2x male+female or 2x female+male
Giving up on teacups (sigh)
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Definitely a advanced ray. I have seemed to have luck with my current one though. I heard a lot of them have internal parasites and that is why they die.
i would go with 2 females, one male,
buy from a reputable vendor, I think once people breed and sell retics, they wont have such a high fatality rate.
buy from a reputable vendor, I think once people breed and sell retics, they wont have such a high fatality rate.
lincolngoh;4100370; said:
I don't necessarily agree with this.
I am new to anything other than small tetras and such, but I went out and bought 2 retics. Granted, I had done months of research on them and they were not an impulse on the spot buy.
I've had them a few months now and they are flourishing.
I think it's a combo of the pet store's treatment of them, the owners research and possibly some luck.
I knew to not buy if they wouldn't eat/weren't active. I watched them for over 2 months in the store, and the owner did an amazing job of getting them on other foods and getting them ready for me.
if they are in a store for two months and eating then they are not a fresh ship so you will have better chances of keeping them alive. the main thing that are killing alot of these is that they get shipped when they are too small so when the buyer gets them they are too stressed and just wont start to eat. ordering from a wholesaler you chances are slim but buying from a lfs that has had them for months and eats fine then it shouldnt be a problem.
I used to sell Reptiles in my shop and Iguanas and other breeds would come in and just die (I hated it) and it was down to wild caught stock being stressed through intensive shipping and parasites taking over.
I had a captive farmed Iguana come in that was days old, I took him home and he was 6 foot long and 15 yrs old when he finally died. I think it is just down to quality stock and correct treatment.
I would love to ban the import of Retics as on the whole they seem to have a high percentage of death, perhaps we should ask shops to quarantine for 2 months before we buy them? Some of the problem will be cheap prices also attracting ameteurs (the poster of this thread seems to know exactly what he is doing btw)
ONE OTHER THING: I noticed talk of a chopped off tail in this thread, how exactly did that happen?
I had a captive farmed Iguana come in that was days old, I took him home and he was 6 foot long and 15 yrs old when he finally died. I think it is just down to quality stock and correct treatment.
I would love to ban the import of Retics as on the whole they seem to have a high percentage of death, perhaps we should ask shops to quarantine for 2 months before we buy them? Some of the problem will be cheap prices also attracting ameteurs (the poster of this thread seems to know exactly what he is doing btw)
ONE OTHER THING: I noticed talk of a chopped off tail in this thread, how exactly did that happen?
Retics tails are twice as long as the disc( if not a bit more). They are in my opinion closely related to antennae rays. The tails simply get snapped get through improper handling. Where stingrays are cartilagenous they are very vulnerable to physical damage as the do not have the support of a rigid skeleton. This goes further than obvious damage like tails.
Internal organ damage through unsupported non horizontal lifting of elasmobranchs can cause death a few days to years after the act. Slightly damaged liver for example will support the rays bodily functions until the rays bodymass for a while until it grows too large fir the damaged organ then death will occur with no obvious signs.
All this is common knowledge in the scientific world either regards catch and release of sharks and rays.
For more information search for correct elasmobranch handling on google. I can post the link tomorrow. I am sure zoodiver could shed more light on this.
Internal organ damage through unsupported non horizontal lifting of elasmobranchs can cause death a few days to years after the act. Slightly damaged liver for example will support the rays bodily functions until the rays bodymass for a while until it grows too large fir the damaged organ then death will occur with no obvious signs.
All this is common knowledge in the scientific world either regards catch and release of sharks and rays.
For more information search for correct elasmobranch handling on google. I can post the link tomorrow. I am sure zoodiver could shed more light on this.
I think wild caught is way too much stress on young rays. I lost 2 wild caught yepezi's and 1 wild caught motoro. Bought a captive bred motoro maybe a 5 inch disk and he ate pellets right off the hop. Out of the 4 wild caught only 1 started eating pellets and she is doing great. No ray expert here cause i lost 3 out of five but i do know how to have pristine water quality. Captive bred i think is easier.
Have 1 retic that I bought in July 2009 from my lfs. He starteed out at a 4 inch disc. Fed him a steady diet of black worms. Finally got him switched over to nightcrawlers. Currently his disc is 9.5 inches and he is about 20 inches long. So the idea of purchasing from the lfs may be a key factor in their future survival.
if you are running 2 x eheim 2080s thats the same as i used to run on my old tank which was 84 long x 32 wide x 30 deep and that filteration was not enought
in the end i was running
2 x eheim 2080s
2 x eheim 2078s
2 x eheim internal 2252s which turn over 1200 lph each
but even with all that filteration the best thing i ever done was adding the 2 x blggdon 5000 pond buckets one on each of the 2080s
this is not a sales pitch but im selling mine they will double the surface area of you 2080s
i paid £100 each for them yours for a bargin price of £80 the pair
http://www.aquarist-classifieds.co.uk/php/detail99_168789.php
in the end i was running
2 x eheim 2080s
2 x eheim 2078s
2 x eheim internal 2252s which turn over 1200 lph each
but even with all that filteration the best thing i ever done was adding the 2 x blggdon 5000 pond buckets one on each of the 2080s
this is not a sales pitch but im selling mine they will double the surface area of you 2080s
i paid £100 each for them yours for a bargin price of £80 the pair
http://www.aquarist-classifieds.co.uk/php/detail99_168789.php
