global warming ehh?

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JuanTamad;689087; said:
It amazes to see very many responsible Monsterfishkeepers show lack of understanding or innocense of what's happening to their own environment.

Fishkeepers who takes great lengths to research the proper care for their monsters to understand what temps, PH, and other parameters are beneficial for their fish are oblivious or refuse to heed the signs of what's happening to their own space.

We all live in one big aquarium called Planet Earth. If we neglect to care for its well being, someday it will cease to nurture us all. That day is coming whether you believe or accept it. Maybe not in the lifetime of most members here.....but it's coming....and sooner or faster if we allow the continuous erosion of its nurturing capacity.

I feel like Noah wanting to build a Monster Space Ship to take my breeding pairs of monsters to a Monster Planet somewhere else in the galaxy away from you guys!

All you're doing is nicely telling us we're ignorant.

Back in the 1940's I believe, there was a big issue where people said that horse manure would emit so much methane into the air that it would eventually kill us within a few years. Do I need to list other examples for you to understand what I'm trying to say?
 
Benfica540;689115; said:
All you're doing is nicely telling us we're ignorant.

Back in the 1940's I believe, there was a big issue where people said that horse manure would emit so much methane into the air that it would eventually kill us within a few years. Do I need to list other examples for you to understand what I'm trying to say?

Let me rephrase that then:

You chose to be ignorant and you will remain one regardless of how much horse manure you choose to live with!:naughty:
 
what i think that has more impact on our planet... then anything else... BIG COMPANIES.. for many many decades they have used our lakes and streams as a dumping ground for chemicals.. i do not think the entire world population can destroy the ego system as fast as KODAC, ZEROX,Exxon and all the other huge companies that dump into the lakes..and oceans.. The biggest oil spill ever has never been completely cleaned up.. the oil is still thick and black in alot of places on this earth.. i would need to sit down and get specific names and dates and places.. but just had to say a little before i run..
 
Some call people who don't believe in MAN MADE global warming ignorant because we don't believe that 'Al Gore' is laying out the truth. So I think Al Gore is a con man and his pocket is breaking at the seams because he's riding the political train of MAN MADE global warming. And Scientist that recieve funds from someone wanting them to prove Man Made Global Warming what do you think there outcome is going to be............MONEY DRIVES.

and their are SCIENTISTS that have these veiws....

Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide

Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

By Timothy Ball
Monday, February 5, 2007

Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist.

And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition.

Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg.

For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.


What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate.

So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?

Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2).

This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification.

For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.

No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change.

And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement.

So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?

Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.

I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred.

The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.

Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles.

Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.

No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent.

I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures.

Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.
 
JuanTamad;689167; said:
Let me rephrase that then:

You chose to be ignorant and you will remain one regardless of how much horse manure you choose to live with!:naughty:

Well, let me ask you then. Do you drive a hybrid car? Do you have solar panels in your home? Do you recycle every piece of waste. Do you carpool?

I want a definite yes from you and everybody else out there that's so flipping concerned with global warming.

DavidW;689194; said:
if you accept the basic premise that resources are limited but growth is not then you must accept that climate change theories become mathematical problems( absolute) which produce accurate models for the prediction of future events, and as more data becomes available and new science is done, and the nearer the 'future' being predicted , then these predictions only become more accurate.

Politicians with energy and transport (polluting) sector connections try to tell us that there is no problem.
Scientists, even the ones with energy industry ties, tell us there is a serious problem and the more that scientific understanding increases, the more the seriousness of the problem is being realized
I prefer to get my information on scientific matters from scientists.

Yes, DavidW, I know and understand your position and I've never once denied that it's more than likely that a global climate change could or is occurring. My problem is that I'm not sure to what extent it's happening and neither are scientists. For every scientist that says Global Warming is definitely occurring, there's another that disagrees. There are as many scientists out there that disagree with it as there are that agree. Remember, not all scientists are correct and it our job to question them.

A lot of this was picked up from Al Gore and his lame ass movie. He's just trying to be Mr. Cool getting in on whatever the Cause of the day is. Did you notice that he's driving an SUV in the movie. Or that he uses electricity in his homes that isn't alternative like solar.

Humans always find something new that will dictate the end of the world. First it was horse manure, now it's this. I wonder what we'll find next that'll dictate the end of mankind. Like I said, it's a lot more fear mongering than it is global warming.
 
Note: Scientists are paid to say global warming is false. Thats the whole scandal. Nobody pays the scientists to say global warming is real because the majority 99% of them already say that global warming is real.

T
 
Wow i'm impressed with the replys here all great but i have to add something as soon as the media gets a chance to run constant headlines such as Global Warming things just get all blown out of perportion , too bad really.

Kinda a bit like Chicken Little with THE SKY IS FALLING ,THE SKY IS FALLING!!
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fishnutham;689460; said:
Kinda a bit like Chicken Little with THE SKY IS FALLING ,THE SKY IS FALLING!!
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Yes, my point exactly!
 
Well if you actually did your research you will realize this is no chicken little scenario no matter how much you would like to think it is

Question: Do you believe that humans are directly resposible for the extinction of thousands of species of animals? There is no denying that. You can even see it here on MFK with the banning of FRTs, black rays, etc. I dont have the exact numbers but you guys should look into it
 
Last point. There are only a very very small dying breed community of scientists who are still debating whether global warming is caused by humans. When you look deeper at the source of fundings for the "disagreeing" scientist, things become clearer. For the vast majority of the scientific community, this debate is pretty much closed already.

Also, understand that the actual science of global warming is very complex(Inconvenient truth is pretty much a diluted version of the actual science involved made for the masses), so for most people they will have to rely on the words of the scientific community. You can say you observed this and you observed that, but in the end, you haven't really looked into it at an overall global level over a long period of time. For this reason I think people should read the results of the actual research done by scientists before they post their own speculations.
 
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