Goonch mystery death :(

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Not saying pH is the cause but here's something off the internet:

Acidosis and Alkalosis can be brought on in a couple different ways. The first is exposure to pH values drastically outside the fishes natural range for any period of time. A slow rise or fall of pH over the long term has subtle symptoms that can be hard to pinpoint the cause of without a simple pH test to see if they are in their natural range. These symptoms include gasping due to the changes in the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood or from excess mucus production that can cover the gills. Excess mucus production and reddened skin areas. Weakened immunes systems leaving them exposed to other diseases such as bacterial, fungal or protozoan infections.

The second way it can be brought on is through a sudden change in pH even as little as 0.2. Changes in pH should be made slowly to allow the fish time to adapt to the new ranges and should never go outside the fishes natural pH range. Rapid changes in pH can lead to symptoms that include the fish being highly excitable, rapid swimming movements, shimmying, gasping and excessive jumping followed shortly by death.
 
kendragon said:
Not saying pH is the cause but here's something off the internet:

Acidosis and Alkalosis can be brought on in a couple different ways. The first is exposure to pH values drastically outside the fishes natural range for any period of time. A slow rise or fall of pH over the long term has subtle symptoms that can be hard to pinpoint the cause of without a simple pH test to see if they are in their natural range. These symptoms include gasping due to the changes in the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood or from excess mucus production that can cover the gills. Excess mucus production and reddened skin areas. Weakened immunes systems leaving them exposed to other diseases such as bacterial, fungal or protozoan infections.

The second way it can be brought on is through a sudden change in pH even as little as 0.2. Changes in pH should be made slowly to allow the fish time to adapt to the new ranges and should never go outside the fishes natural pH range. Rapid changes in pH can lead to symptoms that include the fish being highly excitable, rapid swimming movements, shimmying, gasping and excessive jumping followed shortly by death.
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Omg! This sounds like what happened! Both HLG's have been moving A LOT and I thought it was because they kept fighting for the same spot. The 1 that's still alive has been moving quite a bit as well but has never shown the excess gasping and yawning like the 1 that died has and the rutilus doesn't show any of the symptoms at all. If it is pH, how can I make it more comfortable for them? I haven't found any info on what the pH is in their natural environment so I don't know what they prefer. There's also 2 blue mahseer's in with them cuz they would be too simple of a meal for my armatus if I put them with them. I've tried researching the requirements for the mahseer's since they're from the same area but info on them is lacking as well.


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they are from the mountain and foot hill streams which are most of the time higher in ph cuz of all the rocks but not to high I have had hillstream loaches that acted the same way when the water temp was to high..... but they are different then goonches... a lot of people say cold water fish can handle higher temps if acclimated right but IME they don't.... sry to here about the death I love goonches always wanted one since hillstream fish are one of my favorites....
 
big_tank_boy said:
they are from the mountain and foot hill streams which are most of the time higher in ph cuz of all the rocks but not to high I have had hillstream loaches that acted the same way when the water temp was to high..... but they are different then goonches... a lot of people say cold water fish can handle higher temps if acclimated right but IME they don't.... sry to here about the death I love goonches always wanted one since hillstream fish are one of my favorites....
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I agree. I was hoping to have a tank when they all grew bigger with the 2 HLG's, a school of mahseer's and a bunch of tiny hillstream loaches hoping they would be too small to even bother with. I'm considering selling off all my bichirs, both armatus and aba aba so I can put these guys in that tank and not go through the stress of hoping they would do fine in the warmer temps like djaalix has but I love those guys too much so I'm gettin a bigger tank for those guys that way the goonches, the HLG at least, and mahseer's can have free range of the entire 150 till they outgrow it which will give me an excuse to go bigger.


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yea I think the hillstreams would look awesome with the bigger fish how much air are u pumping into the tank????? when my loaches where acting weird I put in another bubble stone and it seemed to help a lot one of my leptobotias would swim the figure 8 loach dance around the are bubble stone and the redness went away but he later found a small gap less than 1/4 of a inch and got out..... with the masheers id look at them to makesure they are showing no signs of illness cuz they could have something the goonches cant handle..... or even where treated with medication that somehow was transferred with them maybe???? just hope everything else stays healthy.
 
big_tank_boy said:
yea I think the hillstreams would look awesome with the bigger fish how much air are u pumping into the tank????? when my loaches where acting weird I put in another bubble stone and it seemed to help a lot one of my leptobotias would swim the figure 8 loach dance around the are bubble stone and the redness went away but he later found a small gap less than 1/4 of a inch and got out..... with the masheers id look at them to makesure they are showing no signs of illness cuz they could have something the goonches cant handle..... or even where treated with medication that somehow was transferred with them maybe???? just hope everything else stays healthy.
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The mahseer's look perfectly fine. They've been at the lfs for over a year. I just have the airline tubing directly beneath 1 of the powerheads so it breaks up the bubbles into millions of bubbles. The tank is pretty much a tank of bubbles kinda mimicking white rapids.


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wow awesome would like to see full tank pics...... the only thing I could think is maybe temp I guess but idk 75 is on the upper end of hillstream fish so that's the only thing I can think of man.... it seems like it died pretty quick to so idk what to tell u hope it heals up.
 
big_tank_boy said:
wow awesome would like to see full tank pics...... the only thing I could think is maybe temp I guess but idk 75 is on the upper end of hillstream fish so that's the only thing I can think of man.... it seems like it died pretty quick to so idk what to tell u hope it heals up.
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There's some fts shots and vids in the goonch thread "My dance with the devils"


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