Green terror aggresion poll.

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so the pussy got his huge ass beat and died
 
Well believe what you will, i have personally seen all 3 types here in the US before. think what you will, there are always undescribed species out there but if you look at the pics from rapps they are the true rivulatus. they do have a silver edge. the other silver edge you refer too has the exact same shape and everything as the goldsaum, rapps' does not. the green terrors in the stores today are not what was originally described as such. that is the problem with common names........but honestly i have been around all 3 species here in southern california. i have worked at 3 very reputable LFS in my time and i service numerous tanks in the San Diego area!!!! the true green terror is what rapps has up for sale. the goldsaum and the silversaum look alike are not offered from him. i guess for now we can agree to disagree. until next time> HAPPY FISHKEEPING

by the way nice info you presented. thanks!!!
 
Thanks for the compliment. I had a conversation with Rapps a few years back about getting the "real" fish from Peru. I read an article by Wayne Leibel about this group of fish and it was thought at the time that the species with the golden center of the scales was the true rivulatus (The fish Jeff has). From a taxonimic standpoint, the fish from the type locality (where the 1st specimen was collected) would be the point to go from for identification. The fish Jeff has is from Peru and only found there. The true rivulatus is only found in Ecuador. Facts are facts. But we can always agree to disagree.
 
well i get different info from the article then you do, apparently i interpret it different? there are 3 different types of the rivulatus. you have the one from peru, which jeff has, then there is the other silversaum, which jeff also has pics of, the latter being pretty much identical to the goldsaum just with the silver edge? i have seen numerous goldsaums around, but hardley ever see the silversaums of the same size and shape(maybe the type specimen? ). the peru rivulatus has an entirely different cranial profile than either of the other two. either way i LIKED the way you approached that, myself and a lot of others on here just bash away at eachother. hahahah. i have been into central americans since childhood hence the name CentralMayhem and i have kept numerous south americans as well, and i always enjoy GOOD debates about the actual fish and not my moral views or someones elses!!!! and with all this taxonomy confusion around, my views are that once they are re-described we will have the "Aequidens rivulatus" gold and silver edged with the difference in color being the type locality of the fish ( just like the difference between the 2 varieties of A. festae ), and then the
"Aequidens spp. peru " would be in peru obviously!! just my take on things. So anyways, till next time, Happy Fishkeeping!!!!!
 
Nandus said:
I got my info from Alf Stalsberg's site. He collected all three types. He is a well respected aquarist and has many years of experience with these fish.

http://www.lem.net/alf/aeq.htm


Scientific names for all animals are determined by the first specimen collected. Günther described Chromis rivulatus in 1859. The type (first) specimen was collected in the Rio Esmeraldas in Ecuador.

The fish we now know as the Green Terror in the US is from the Rio Guayas in Ecuador and the Rio Tumbes in Northern Peru. The same rivers the Red Terror is collected for the pet trade.

This fish is separated from the true "A" rivulatus from the Rio Esmeraldas by some minor anatomical features including size and coloration.

The fish Jeff has is the original Green Terror from Southern Peru imported back in the 70's for the pet trade. This fish is only found in Peru.

The confusion stems from people believing this fish was the "real" rivulatus. It's not. To make matters worse, the Rio Guayas "rivulatus is found with silver, red and orange edge populations.

There have been other kinds of rivulatus like fish brought in from Columbia too.

The blue acara was thought to be one species. Now it has been split up into at least five species and the scientific name "A" pulcher is now restricted to a fish found in the island of Trinidad.

You brought up the "Port" Acara. There are 12 "Port" Acaras now.

Sven O Kullander from the Department of Vertebrate Zoology Swedish Museum of Natural History has been working on the classification of South American cichlids for several years.
It is believed all the Green Terrors and Blue Acaras will be placed in a separate genus together.
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Thanks for the link. It has very good information about the acara family.
 
Ok guys heres the situation. I posted a similar topic on WW but I think I failed to properly explain myself not mention a certain person started to annoy me.

Alright say one day you go to the LFS. The owner calls you over to a tank and explains that just recently they got in a 12" male green terror. Since the fish has been in he has killed dozens of smaller fish and the owner is desperate to get rid of him. He offers you the fish for 10 bucks. Being the cichlid lover that you are you accept the offer especially since such a large terror is very rare. When the owener tries to net the fish it aggresively flares and even attacks the NET. Wow he is an aggresive one what a find! However just as you are leaving with the fish you realize that the only tank with room left is your 200 gallon tank where your 14" male trimac is dominant. However this particular trimac is calm for his species he only attacks other fish if they threaten his dominace. Seeing how he is many times the size of the terror you figure that the terror would never be stupid enough to bother him. Therfore it should work fine.

When you realese the terror into the tank. It settles on the bottom to adjust to its surroundings. After an hour you come back to check on it, you find that terror is flaring up at the trimac. Then the terror suddenly bursts forward and charges the trimac. The larger quicker trimac easily dogdes the charge and the two fish begin to jaw lock. So I ask you who wins? The green terror which is outwardly more aggresive than the trimac or the physically superior trimac who now having its dominance challegened is ready and willing to fight anything in sight.

Who wins the aggresive terror or the phsycially dominate trimac.


GTS you have seriously took your opinion over the edge. HAHAHAHAHA I think its hilarious how far you have taken this....
 
woah dude your takin it too far as well. NO dominant tri mac would ever let a new GT in his aquarium. especially at that size and without an amazing fight. that GT is in a new home and would in no way want any piece of a larger heavier more aggressive cichlid. GT's like you are trying to describe dont exist. they can be aggressive and big but they are not outright killers like some of these cichlids are. i believe even if you put the 2 fish you describe into a neutral environment that the GT would be extremely outclassed. we have had this thread going forever, so until we find someone with that huge fire breathing GT who is willing to match it against a big Tri-Mac then i believe the thread should just end. it is a never ending argument there is no winner EVER. it is your opinion and my opinion and they differ so that is that. i hope i didnt make it sound like i was bashing you at all JACKOSCAR i just think the whole thread has gone on and on with the same exact thing being said over and over again
 
I once got a GT to go in my 120 with my jag and O. My jag at the time was only an inch bigger and almost killed the GT before I could get him out in time. So, I had to do somethign with the GT. Put the GT in my 55g tank and took the JD from the 55 and put it in the 120. All has been well since. The GT is NOT a tough fish. Welll, mine isn't at least. Beautiful fish though.
 
i've own a jag, and i own a GT at the moment. And know way in hell will a GT over power the likes of a jag an win a fight. Will 2 mature/fully grown ones co-exist? Only in at least a 200 gallon tank
 
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