Hairless Chimps

[krichardson]

I think we have strayed far afield from the original topic of what causes hair loss in apes.

I think it may have something to do with the stress that could result from captivity.

 

[Miguel]

Without playing Devil's Advocate too much: anthropology/paleontology are much more artistic than truly scientific. They make observations and theories based on what they dig up from no-longer-existing time-periods and apply their own opinions to it. Hardly meets the measurable and repeatable criteria for a scientific experiment/fact.

I'm not saying they don't provide value to our understanding of times gone by, or even that they are wildly inaccurate; but I do find the term "fact" to be used a little too loosely.

Per your earlier comments; we also share a lot of DNA with other animals and plants too... not very convincing proof of anything that we would share DNA with Neanderthals too... just saying.

Being from an entirely differennt field of expertise ( and a very unscientific one in broad terms ) i must go by with what i read in stuff that interests me.

But i would go as far as saying that science must have travelled further than your defintion of it. I find it difficult to accept that paleo, etc, are not based on scientific methods, applicable, as a matter of course, to that field.

As to the dna, the first prooven hybrid was foind in Portugal. It is the body of a male child.

 

[robmcd]

Yes. Alopecia.

 

[dragonfish]

So he is a 28yo named Jambo living in Twycross Zoo in Leicestershire and suffers from alopecia. Crowd favorite and father of three.

 

[SumoNinja]

So he is a 28yo named Jambo living in Twycross Zoo in Leicestershire and suffers from alopecia. Crowd favorite and father of three.

I think you just described either Miguel or Oddball

 

[ecoli73]

+25 years


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[kissofcrimson]

Wow.. Agree with quite a bit that's been discussed here.

dang, I go away for a few hours to work on my yard and I find one thread locked and this one took a funny turn. can't say I am surprised. it's so easy for something like this to happen.

anyways, Miguel, the only knowledge I have on chimps is what I seen on nature shows or the news when they attack humans.

my take on these chimps' lives and their feelings are the same with any wild animal taken into custody. no they are not happy. especially ones as intelligent as monkeys and apes. of course they don't live normal lives and do normal things they would in the wild. they don't get to interact and hunt like they normally would. I think the ones brought into captivity from the wild are the ones affected most. even the ones born in captivity, I can't help but think they somehow know the life they're born into isn't the way it's meant to be.

Agree with you on that Sumo. I don't believe any wild animal is happy in captivity just for the simple fact we can never provide for them like the wild can. Chimps are a prime example of that as well as big cats, non-domesticated canids, and cetaceans.




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[MaddMaxx]

Agree with you on that Sumo. I don't believe any wild animal is happy in captivity just for the simple fact we can never provide for them like the wild can. Chimps are a prime example of that as well as big cats, non-domesticated canids, and cetaceans.

I tend to disagree with these types of statements. People have a tendency to romanticize "the wild". Providing an animal an environment free of parasites and the danger of predation is certainly a step towards a better life. The problem in most cases is "cage" size and activity/mental engagement.

 

[Miguel]

What you say makes perfect sense, Max. But, at the end of the day, animals are far better in their environment. No zoo, the better it is equipped, substitutes nature, irrespective of the hazards that may befall a specific animal. Some die, some live to get old, some are eaten, etc...

But it still is the best for them, as a whole.

 

[dragonfish]

I tend to disagree with these types of statements. People have a tendency to romanticize "the wild". Providing an animal an environment free of parasites and the danger of predation is certainly a step towards a better life. The problem in most cases is "cage" size and activity/mental engagement.

That may be true for some animals but I believe that the higher the intelligence and more aware of the surroundings they are the more of an issue it is. If you are put into a cage, albeit a nice one, surrounded everyday with creatures gesturing and making sounds you did not understand, would you be happy because you didn't have to worry about money or food?