HAS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA LOST IT'S MIND

[BIG_ONE]

what a bunch of douchbags. ever since they got rid of snakeheads, they had nothing else to do.

LOL, not sure where you get the snakehead idea from...but california never had situation of snakehead invading any water system ever in history, snakehead has been found. but never in a hazard zone where it would be like these pikes...

 

[MN_Rebel]

that is not the main situation about worrying the tiger muskies breeding if its released into other lakes. the worry is the tiger muskie will compete against other species in differ lakes. ruin the ecosystem even more. of course it would be easy to get rid of them, but no need to have any more ecosystem killed off...

Tiger muskie dont really compete against other species, and rarely found in salmon/trout rivers/lakes because they are warmwater species...what ecosystem? Davis Lake has full of NON NATIVE fishes for sakes so if you want ecosystem, then stock Sacramento Perch, wild rainbow trouts and few Californian fishes once swim in Davis Lake then you have a ecosystem. And we dont want to heard about fishing stories about how they always catch pike because we knows its already here.

 

[Planteman]

Either way the fish are going to be wiped out and the natives restocked. The pike are non-native and some inexperienced keepers who keep them then dump them in lakes because they become too large or too agressive for the tank. So California has not lost it's mind just trying to preserve the natural ecosystem. Sure pike are cool fish but they belong in their natural habitats with their own predators and prey and of course in monster fish tanks.

 

[MN_Rebel]

What? The hobbyist do not dump northern pikes in the lake as everybody has said that it was either someone from fisheries or a biologist, not hobbyist. Mostly likely the northern pike juvies were mixed with trout or lmb when stocked in the lake.

 

[BIG_ONE]

What? The hobbyist do not dump northern pikes in the lake as everybody has said that it was either someone from fisheries or a biologist, not hobbyist. Mostly likely the northern pike juvies were mixed with trout or lmb when stocked in the lake.

Not sure how the stocking system goes for your guys state, but as I been talking and been around Fish and Game here, they count their fish before loading it into the tank on the truck and stock it into lakes or ponds. They don't just net them and dump it in the tank on the truck without counting. And by counting, they will sort through each fish before letting them through the tube into the tank. And im pretty sure juvy pike and bass/trout are way different.

And also...since when it needs to be native to have an ecosystem??? if you put it in that way, every single lake does not have an ecosystem then, you really think every there's a lake in the nation that is all pure natives???...you tell me.

 

[FlamingFury5]

LOL, not sure where you get the snakehead idea from...but california never had situation of snakehead invading any water system ever in history, snakehead has been found. but never in a hazard zone where it would be like these pikes...

im just talking in general

 

[wonderboy1377s]

Why don't they draw down the water level around the time the pike spawn. This will do three things, one there will not be suitable habitat for them to spawn in due to the fact they like to spawn in super shallow weedy areas, also it would dry up the eggs and fry that already happend to have hatched, third it really does not allow for the plants to grow. I know there are studys that show that pike do not do will in reservoirs with fluctuating water levels for this reason.

Another thing that might help is to hire comerical fisherman to net them. I know the state is already doing that but the comerical guys would prob have more equipment and be alittle better at it. They do have a history of crasing popluations of fish world wide.

The final thing is place a bounty on every fish. Again I know they are doing it for tagged fish but why not pay $5-$10 per fish. This would probly get more people to fish for them. This has been used to great effect on Lake Pend Oreille to remove the non native Lake Trout.

 

[aliali]

I have never heard about a successful removal of northern pike from any waters by fishing. The biggest predator of small and medium pike is larger pikes. So most of the time the biomass of pike stays the same and the average size declines when eradication by fishing is attempted. The pike uses flooded vegetation for spawning, so lowering waterlevels during spawning may help.
But the best way to deal with "unwanted" pikes is to realize that they are there to stay (like herpes) and live with it. pikes are great gamefish and does not diserve to be poisoned. People who thinks poison can save or help a situasjon like that of a pike invasjon should go sit in the corner and dont come out til the glaciers return.
Poison was tried as a way of clearing rivers of parasit riden salmon in Norway, but sinse the fjords are sites for fishfarming of salmon, the new populations of salmon that reinvaded the "empty" rivers was quikly contamined in the fjords, and the salmon is now declining or gone from the rivers again.
This is the ONLY situasjon poison may have worked, if it had not been for fishfarming.
Poison is for poisoners, personaly! I cant express how sad and low it makes me feel when i hear people actualy preposing things like this. We do not own the fish in the rivers, the water or any organism in it.

 

[wonderboy1377s]

I have never heard about a successful removal of northern pike from any waters by fishing. The biggest predator of small and medium pike is larger pikes. So most of the time the biomass of pike stays the same and the average size declines when eradication by fishing is attempted. The pike uses flooded vegetation for spawning, so lowering waterlevels during spawning may help.
But the best way to deal with "unwanted" pikes is to realize that they are there to stay (like herpes) and live with it. pikes are great gamefish and does not diserve to be poisoned. People who thinks poison can save or help a situasjon like that of a pike invasjon should go sit in the corner and dont come out til the glaciers return.
Poison was tried as a way of clearing rivers of parasit riden salmon in Norway, but sinse the fjords are sites for fishfarming of salmon, the new populations of salmon that reinvaded the "empty" rivers was quikly contamined in the fjords, and the salmon is now declining or gone from the rivers again.
This is the ONLY situasjon poison may have worked, if it had not been for fishfarming.
Poison is for poisoners, personaly! I cant express how sad and low it makes me feel when i hear people actualy preposing things like this. We do not own the fish in the rivers, the water or any organism in it.

This is not true at all. Rotenone has been used with quite a bit of sucess in the United States. It is a tool that has been used to restore several populations of threatend and endangered trout populations in the west.

 

[B_IN_SD]

I think they are abusing their prescriptions.