Healing open wounds

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Just a bit of reading which i have found for those that have taken an interest


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Identification:

If staining for identification, Mycobacteria stain bright pink against a blue background (as these bacterium are acid fast).

However, most aquarium fish keepers do not have the ability to grow cultures or make slides; so the symptoms of Fish TB are usually wasting away, lesions on the fish' body, loss of scales and/or coloration, and especially skeletal deformities such as curved spines.

The fish in the picture above (please click to enlarge) displays classic symptoms of Fish TB in finage, skeletal deformity, and wasting to the point light can slightly penetrate her abdomen as seen in the light spot.
From Testing for "Fish TB"; AquariaCentral

Mycobacterium triplex can only be identified by 16S rDNA sequencing, so positive identification is difficult.

Treatment:

Mycobacterium marinum
Time of Treatment is VERY long and is generally administered for at least three months.
A hospital tank treatment is advised for fish TB since this generally is a very long treatment regimen and a three month treatment of ANY antibiotic can result in serious damage to your aquarium bio filter.

The three most proven antibiotic methods, which can and should be used in a combination of two of these drugs along with the other described alternative treatments:
*Kanamycin (Kanaplex)
*Neomycin
*Isoniazid (from Aquarium Medications Part 2)

A forth consideration, albeit less field tested (it does show lab results though) is Usnea, which from my experience should only be administered in a "Fish Bath" form for 30 minutes. Methylene Blue should also be used in this bath, but no other antibiotics should be used in this bath with Usena.
These baths can be rotated; meaning one bath with Usena and Methylene Blue and the next bath with MB along with one or two of the other antibiotics, then back to the Usnea

Usnea is best as a used as a bath ALONG with an in tank treatment with one of the first three noted medications (or better hospital tank).
Further Information: Organic Fish Treatments; Usnea

A fifth consideration is Allicin, the active ingredient in Garlic. Mycobacterium marinum) has been demonstrated to be effectively treated with Allicin, at least in vitro.
SeaChem Garlic Guard can be used in a fish food slurry preparation and mixed with both Neomycin and Kanamycin for improving the potential effectiveness of tuberculosis treatment.

See: Fish Nutrition; Garlic




ISONIAZID 300 mg:

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ABOUT/USE: Treatment for tuberculosis.
Symptoms include: the fish have been sick for several months, the fish is lethargic, anorexic, has fin or scale loss and a sunken stomach.

Isoniazid Can be combined with Kanamycin or Neomycin.
As noted, Isoniazid is used alone or can be used with other drugs to treat tuberculosis (TB) and to prevent it in fish that have had contact with tuberculosis bacteria.
It eliminates ONLY ACTIVE (growing) bacteria.
Since the bacteria may exist in a resting (nongrowing) state for long periods, therapy with isoniazid (and other antituberculosis drugs) MUST be continued for a long time (usually 6-12 months) often making TB treatments in aquariums impractical due to costs, time, and damage to the aquatic environment (I strongly recommend using a quarantine tank).

Unfortunately, Isoniazid has become very difficult to obtain since the premier aquarium medications company, "Aquatronics" went out of business due to the declining business climate in the aquarium industry.
Neomycin is an alternative for Mycobacterium tuberculosis, as well Kanamycin is considered a second line drug for Mycobacterium tuberculosis (not a first line since many strains of Mycobacterium tuberculosis are resistant to Kanamycin) An organic alternative is Usnea, which has shown very good lab results in treating the Mycobacterium tuberculosis.
For more about Usnea, please see this Aquarium Answers article:
USNEA; USING USNIC ACID AS A FISH REMEDY

Note: Aquatic tuberculosis can be very difficult to treat (in fact nearly impossible). Also note that this is caused by a very similar bacterium in human TB, but is not the same, and the only danger to humans is to an open wound exposed to the bacterium, which then only causes a localized rash.

Further Reference about TB in Fish:
TB in Fish, Mycobacterium Tuberculosis

DOSAGE: 1 tablet per 20 gallons, every other day for 14- 30 days

www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2012/04/tb-in-fish-mycobacterium
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Good read and info
 
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Clm08k i dont want you to have to do that and should have been more clear with my question. was mainly asking kno4te only because of the horror story that the other member told us all about. Im more worried about you catching something. But kno4te is 1000% correct he improving and we dont even know if it is tb. Im sorry for even making you think of euthanasia i should have sent him a pm instead of posting to the thread

it's okay. I appreciate you guys checking on Benny and on me. Otherwise, I'd be totally lost on what to do.

UPDATE: He is still kinda slow and rejected pellets two days ago. and ate only one small piece of tilapia today. A little concerning, but at least hes eating still.

Starting the triple sulfa again. The guy at the store sold me metroplex instead of kanaplex. I felt pressured into buying it....they didn't have kanaplex. So I need to return that and get kanaplex tomorrow.

I still need to clean out the main tank.....
 
he hasn't really been eating this week. :/ Friday ate 1 pellet. Sunday: half a bite of tilapia on Sunday(maybe it was freezer burnt?). Today: he rolled the pellets around with his face for a min or so. :D but then he didn't eat any and swam off in the corner and slumped in the sand like a sad sack. It broke my heart. Any advice on how to get him to eat again? Is it because of the meds and all the water changes? Other than that his color is still there, but he's been pretty chill and scoots around on the bottom. barely see him swim anymore.

Today is day 3 of 2nd round riple sulfa and day 1 of kanaplex. been doing daily betadine swab.
 
When will see a new poly?o_O
I ordered and PAID for one from LFS and apparently its in some guys tank in town right now...... idk why that is. I guess cause I said I wasn't ready for it yet? and the order was all ready placed?

broke down the main tank today. bleached it and the filter,lids. Threw out cartridges. Did not bleach sand, driftwood, and biowheels. Still need to figure out what to do for those. Thinking about resealing tank, because why not.
 
Maybe cause of the med, hows the wound?
Try to buy live worm and see if it will eat. Most of the time they like something that is moving to eat.
okay. that's definitely an option. Maybe I'll dig up one out of my backyard. lol. The last time he had something he really liked was when I fed him shrimp!

Will post pic of wound tomorrow. Not sure if it's getting better to be honest. It's been red the past couple of days. He's definitely a fighter though!
 
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I ordered and PAID for one from LFS and apparently its in some guys tank in town right now...... idk why that is. I guess cause I said I wasn't ready for it yet? and the order was all ready placed?

broke down the main tank today. bleached it and the filter,lids. Threw out cartridges. Did not bleach sand, driftwood, and biowheels. Still need to figure out what to do for those. Thinking about resealing tank, because why not.

You can get a jump on setting up the main tank if you want. Its a 55 gal right ? Post some pics of what you have as far as filtrarion. The filter and what your puttong in it.

After its all sorted out you can set it up again and pick up some smaller fish to use as an ammonia source and get the filter re cycled. Also can speed it up by adding tetra safe start that way when benny is all healed up the main tank is ready for him and any new polys you get
 
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