HEATING A WATER DRAGON ENCLOSURE

[Jessica Dring]

You dont need UV.

I would use a flood lamp or possibly even halogen (be careful) depending on cage size. What temp are you trying to reach?

No on the heat mats... A heat panel might be a possibilty if you can fit one on. But the plastic snake cages that often have them built in dont work for water dragons, so youd have to build one your own if thats not already what you plan on.

Peace

What are you on? Do you know the amount of CWD's that come in with MBD?!?!? They do need UV...They need it to properly absorb calcium...

Build one of my own what?

 

[Jessica Dring]

and remember they are arborial the taller the cage the better with lots of branches for them to climb on

Yeah, I did say in my first post it would be alot taller, I know they're aborial

My main concern is not heating the enclosure in the day, but in the night..

 

[loconorc]

I wont touch the UV issue. That strikes some wierd evil spurt in you guys, I have no idea.

I was talking about building your own cage or having someone build one for you. For adults, there are pretty much no commercial cages avaliable. They simply get too big to house in anything that is sold in stores.

Btw, night cycles arent needed. unless youre breeding, keep the same lights on all day. Unless you have the cage in your bedroom (like me lol) you dont really haev to worry about it. Does your house get extra cold at night? (Im not the best one to talk about this to, Im confusing myself lol)

And the thing with arboreal animals (this isnt directed at you or anyone) theyre not stupid. In the wild, arboreal animals are 10, 20, 30, even 100 + feet up in trees. 5 feet off the ground is nothing. This isnt saying you must build a 30 foot tall cage. The point of it is to get it OVER YOUR HEAD. This isnt saying you can put them in a long tank on a high shelf either. I hope you understand that. Also a deep substrate area isnt a bad idea with dirt so they can dig. Water dragons live just about in every level of the forest.

Please, Im not trying to sound smart here, quit accusing me of it.

Peace out

 

[Jessica Dring]

I wont touch the UV issue. That strikes some wierd evil spurt in you guys, I have no idea.

Because you've realised you don't know what your talking about? Dude, it strikes the evil spurt in us cause do you know how many people give their CWD'S or iguanas in to vets with severe MBD. You know why? Cuase d**k heads like you are telling them not to use UV!!!! I'm younger than you and knew way before I wanted to keep them they needed UV! I don't think you should be giving advice, I really don't, your practically dangerous to other peoples pets... Its just a good job I knew my stuff before asking a question isn't it?

So first no UV, Then no daytime and nightime for them either...dude..Seriously YOU SHOULD NOT BE POSTING ADVICE. I can't actually believe you..

I was talking about building your own cage or having someone build one for you. For adults, there are pretty much no commercial cages avaliable. They simply get too big to house in anything that is sold in stores.

Did you even read my first post dude? I said I was building one, also said it again few posts down..

Btw, night cycles arent needed. unless youre breeding, keep the same lights on all day. Unless you have the cage in your bedroom (like me lol) you dont really haev to worry about it. Does your house get extra cold at night? (Im not the best one to talk about this to, Im confusing myself lol)

Err yes they do. All animals need a day and night cycle or they get stressed


And the thing with arboreal animals (this isnt directed at you or anyone) theyre not stupid. In the wild, arboreal animals are 10, 20, 30, even 100 + feet up in trees. 5 feet off the ground is nothing.

Try 7 feet? And seven feet is better than 1 or 2 don't you think? Its the same with the animals you have, none of them have access to what they would in the wild so this really isnt debateable dude. Don't start one of them 'why give it 5 feet if they live 30 feet up in the wild' debate please.

This isnt saying you must build a 30 foot tall cage. The point of it is to get it OVER YOUR HEAD. This isnt saying you can put them in a long tank on a high shelf either. I hope you understand that. Also a deep substrate area isnt a bad idea with dirt so they can dig.

I plan on this.

Water dragons live just about in every level of the forest.

Please, Im not trying to sound smart here, quit accusing me of it.

Peace out

i never accused of anything, don't accuse me of accusing you...

 

[loconorc]

No one needs to be banned here... Stop taking it on such a personal level, not just you... Again, not touching UV, you just - bah. :/

Ok, glad your building your own cage, thats what I tried to make sure of. You dont have to twist confirmation into an isult.

For diurnal animals like WDs, they really dont care! If they want to sleep, THEY HIDE, and where they hide, its night! Dark = night right? If they want to sleep, they would go into a burrow or something where its out of your reach and pitch black. Now if they DONT have that and are stuck in continuous light forever, thats stressful! Thats what you siad, and where I agree with you. But they shouldnt be stuck in continuous light, they need a place to escape it. Animals appreciate a range of conditions whenever possible. If they want to digest, they bask, if they dont, they dont.

Also, if its in your bedroom or something, you can turn the light off! lol All my cages are about 6 feet from my bed, so I turn them off.

Im not trying to bring up the whole 'they get it in the wild, why not here' debate. Some people expect huge elaborate enclosures with every little detail that the lizards honestly dont care about.

Im not saying youre insulting, but lets not...

'Kay? Im not disagreeing with you on any of these topics. Only adding on my part, which you either disagree with or just dont understand.

Peace

 

[Jessica Dring]

Dude. I ain't backing down on the day and night issue, like you said theyd go in a burrow for pitch black..how you going to get that in your average viv..they need "day&light" not in the way it means to humans, but they need it, it DOES get stressful for them if you don't. You talk about burrowing in the wild? In the wild they get a night and day..I'm just saying..
Right on the UV, I ain't gonna argue, or even try. But you did spout it, so you have to back up your evidence if you think they don't need it, so please do. You cannot give "advice" If you can't back it up and then you ignore it. And theres a reason your not touching it, why is this? I would like to know what your source for finding out they don't need UV is ideally. I'm gonna be civil, as I did fly off the handle. now maby you wont do a LC and ignore people when theyre asking for proof ...

 

[Ophiuchus]

No one needs to be banned here... Stop taking it on such a personal level, not just you... Again, not touching UV, you just - bah. :/

Ok, glad your building your own cage, thats what I tried to make sure of. You dont have to twist confirmation into an isult.

For diurnal animals like WDs, they really dont care! If they want to sleep, THEY HIDE, and where they hide, its night! Dark = night right? If they want to sleep, they would go into a burrow or something where its out of your reach and pitch black. Now if they DONT have that and are stuck in continuous light forever, thats stressful! Thats what you siad, and where I agree with you. But they shouldnt be stuck in continuous light, they need a place to escape it. Animals appreciate a range of conditions whenever possible. If they want to digest, they bask, if they dont, they dont.

Also, if its in your bedroom or something, you can turn the light off! lol All my cages are about 6 feet from my bed, so I turn them off.

Im not trying to bring up the whole 'they get it in the wild, why not here' debate. Some people expect huge elaborate enclosures with every little detail that the lizards honestly dont care about.

Loco, you're smoking something. WDs need UV and a photoperiod. I'd almost challenge you to keep a WD without UV, but that would be cruel on my part. I wouldn't want an animal to suffer like that. Seriously, where did you get that load of baloney?

 

[Jessica Dring]

Ophi, The advice he has giving lately, not just on this part is just simply, dangerous. And he still carries on doing it on other threads despite being proved wrong on some. I would not trust him to give advice about a hamster, nevermind a reptile. Most (*most*) of his advice is innacurate, unreasonable and just plain wrong, and he can't even back it up! Surely, the advice he's tried to give me should be drawn attention to, by the MOD's? Because he still is persisting this is right, and I'm glad it was me not some newbie to reptile keeping he was spouting this time. I don't think he should be allowed to carry on with this type of "advice"

 

[loconorc]

Oh boy...

 

[Jessica Dring]

Loco, you say they're diurnal? How can an animal be diurnal without a day AND nightime...