Thanks for the welcome, To impress was not my goal!! simply to generate constructive conversation. I haven't even begun to think about substrate yet. The wonderful wife is "one-of-a-kind" as for budget i try not to think about it. When i got the Mortgage i took out an extra 50,000 just for this project but i can see that i am going to exceed that, the wonderful wife is a Chiropractor so hopefully i can tap into her income when needed. I wish i could find a good deal on Base Rock by the truckload. To save money i am going to only purchase a small amount of Live rock and sand (say 250lbs of each) and just slowly add small livestock to get the system to cycle. i figure it may take six months to get all of the levels where they need to be to support the livestock i want. just some ideas ..... a couple of Spiny lobster (big 5 to 10lbs), blacktip shark and a couple of bonnetheads. then i will use a plethera of reef dwellers for filler. oh yeah and i want a HUGE morray eel. i have done tons of Fish only tanks so here is a question for all of you reef guys. What lighting system can i buy to get live reef to grow in 7 feet of water?? I know most of the commercially available stuff is only good to like 30 inches.