help ID this fish please..

[SmallMonster]

Regardless the price is good.

Both can keep the pattern so that's another way that people use to ID that is not 100%

The only one that has the I guess you can call it U shape teeth is the l-27 "xingu" the rest all have V shaped teeth even other l-27's

Im not a fan of grading fish. No offense but that's an east Asian thing. IMO more of a marketing scheme.

Your fish was worth the money and your fish is beautiful.

I will say it again be proud of it

:/ both 418 and 191 can keep markings ? yea the owner was telling me how good the markings are despite its size.

see the markings of 418 here: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=panaque+titan&image_id=8230

and the markings of 191 here: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/image.php?species=panaque+sp(l191)&image_id=8314

and my specimen has it closer to the one of 191.

U are spot on. I live in South-east Asia and is stuck in this stupid marketing scene, which probably serves no good except to jack up prices.

i am personally not bothered by whether its 191 or 418. but i just wanna be sure about it so that i know i paid the right price for the right thing. and serves me well when i exhibit my "418". cause its a common problem that people pay a 418 price while getting a 191 here. i dont wanna be a silly victim

 

[Stones Aquarium]

Hi all bros from MFK.I am Ang from Stones Aquarium Singapore.James, Aka Smallmonster had purchased this fish from me.I have imported this fish in from Peru.
I also noticed that many hobbyists here are confused with Peru Green and L191.I would thus like to share my findings on the differences btw this two.

HEAD SHAPE
Peru Green: DOME shape
L191:Sleeker Sharper Shape
Eg.BEC and BES, L190 and L27 Xingu

MARKING
Peru Green:Many Broken Lines
L191: Almost no markings at this size(18'')

TAIL
Peru Green: Gold/Yellow Trimming along the tail,Fan Shaped
L191: No trimming,Crescent shape

 

[ElectricBlueSeanBurch]

I will agree with most of the above discription, although both can have gold trim and crescent shaped tails in my experience. It seems like you have no doubt that this a 418. I love a seller that stands behind his word, and isn't afraid to fight for it. Keep up the good work, bringing the beautiful fish into the hobby.

 

[Stones Aquarium]

I will agree with most of the above discription, although both can have gold trim and crescent shaped tails in my experience. It seems like you have no doubt that this a 418. I love a seller that stands behind his word, and isn't afraid to fight for it. Keep up the good work, bringing the beautiful fish into the hobby.

Thanks for the support shown bro. This fish was imported frm Peru, not Colombia which L191 is from. nonetheless I hope that this thread/forum is beneficial to everyone in the hobby to share their knowledge and experience.
However to serve as a guideline to other hobbyists who might have doubts here are some observations that I humbly share:

Regarding the tail shape: L191 will have a crescent shaped tail till around 18-20 inches whereby it is observed that the lyre ends will eventually shorten to form a flag shaped tail resembling the Peru Green hence the confusion. Forumers feel free to visit my website www.stonesaquarium.com or check out my thread at the commercial section for pictures of my previous exports of large L191 and Peru Greens.

A point to take note is the head profile of the Peru Green is different from that of the L191.

 

[Jackson]

Well at least your sure of where it's from.

It's good to see seller who cares.

The rest is up in the air.

 

[Allan01230]

Nice pleco for sure. I paid $405 USD for an L-114 which was 8 inches. This was last year and they were a little harder to get. I was told I paid too much but this is my favorite fish and it was worth it to me. What size tank you got that beuty in and what are its tank mates? Enjoy the great plec.

 

[SmallMonster]

its currently in a 422. i think its too small. i wanna make it 522 soon with better filtration system.

currently with 5 other indo tiger fish. 3 silver dollars and 4 clown loach.

and 1 pangasius too and an unknown sucker fish.

my plan for now:

1. get a 522 with over and underflow + sump tank.

2. remove the pangasius, and 3 silver dollars and 2 clown loaches.

3. look for a L27b/c.

4. trade away my biggest indo tiger 6" and replace it with a nicer piece.

 

[Jackson]

You should consider different tank mates. The diets of the others conflicts with the diet of the Panaque. This will cause serious health issues for your Panaque or even death.

You need a bigger tank a.s.a.p. Of at least 6'Lx3'Wx whatever tall. 2' wide is not enough for an 18"+ bony fish like a huge Panaque.

It's a great fish that needs lots of space and a special diet.

 

[SmallMonster]

will a 5x2x2 suffice? i actually dont have the space for a bigger one :S unless u think a Fibre Glass Tank on a rooftop will be ok?

 

[Jackson]

will a 5x2x2 suffice? i actually dont have the space for a bigger one :S unless u think a Fibre Glass Tank on a rooftop will be ok?

No
5'Lx3'wX..H is the least I would say is okay. 2' wide is not enough at all. The fish should grow around the 2' mark your is not far off. I really think 6'longx3'wide is the least you should aim for. 8'lx3'wx..h would be better. These fish need space and lots of it.
The tank mates as mentioned should be reconsidered as well.

I can't comment on the roof top tank. Here where I live you can't keep them outside at all. Well maybe three months out of twelve if you are lucky lol our weather is crap.