Help To Bring Asian Aros Back To The US...
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Sorry if it's here and I've missed it, but is this species protected generally or simply under CITES?
It's considered an endangered spp in many/most of its Asian native countries but as it does not occur in the US it shouldn't be considered or listed as endangered in the US, no?
As I understand it, CITES only controls for transportation across borders. It'll be illegal as it would have had to come across a border as there were no "grandfathered" animals in place before these controls came in. One can however get CITES permits to import these fish into Canada and Europe... The difference is that the US is not granting these permits or exemptions.
I am curious as to how CITES looks on captive bred animals imported from countries in which they are not endangered- like Canada, or Jamaica. There are CITES specialists in the local Govt and I will ask over the next couple of weeks; theoretically these fish will fit into similar legal boxes as some of the corals we are breeding so I'll stack the questions.
I'm thinking to try to breed SA Silvers first with initial juveniles to come in over the next couple of weeks... if all the stars line up. If I have any luck will look into spending 5K/fish to try to breed these imported through Montreal or Toronto. May have to look for investors- bring checkbook, sunscreen and a shovel
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It's considered an endangered spp in many/most of its Asian native countries but as it does not occur in the US it shouldn't be considered or listed as endangered in the US, no?
As I understand it, CITES only controls for transportation across borders. It'll be illegal as it would have had to come across a border as there were no "grandfathered" animals in place before these controls came in. One can however get CITES permits to import these fish into Canada and Europe... The difference is that the US is not granting these permits or exemptions.
I am curious as to how CITES looks on captive bred animals imported from countries in which they are not endangered- like Canada, or Jamaica. There are CITES specialists in the local Govt and I will ask over the next couple of weeks; theoretically these fish will fit into similar legal boxes as some of the corals we are breeding so I'll stack the questions.
I'm thinking to try to breed SA Silvers first with initial juveniles to come in over the next couple of weeks... if all the stars line up. If I have any luck will look into spending 5K/fish to try to breed these imported through Montreal or Toronto. May have to look for investors- bring checkbook, sunscreen and a shovel
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Sorry if it's here and I've missed it, but is this species protected generally or simply under CITES?
It's considered an endangered spp in many/most of its Asian native countries but as it does not occur in the US it shouldn't be considered or listed as endangered in the US, no?
As I understand it, CITES only controls for transportation across borders. It'll be illegal as it would have had to come across a border as there were no "grandfathered" animals in place before these controls came in. One can however get CITES permits to import these fish into Canada and Europe... The difference is that the US is not granting these permits or exemptions.
I am curious as to how CITES looks on captive bred animals imported from countries in which they are not endangered- like Canada, or Jamaica. There are CITES specialists in the local Govt and I will ask over the next couple of weeks; theoretically these fish will fit into similar legal boxes as some of the corals we are breeding so I'll stack the questions.
I'm thinking to try to breed SA Silvers first with initial juveniles to come in over the next couple of weeks... if all the stars line up. If I have any luck will look into spending 5K/fish to try to breed these imported through Montreal or Toronto. May have to look for investors- bring checkbook, sunscreen and a shovel
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It's considered an endangered spp in many/most of its Asian native countries but as it does not occur in the US it shouldn't be considered or listed as endangered in the US, no?
As I understand it, CITES only controls for transportation across borders. It'll be illegal as it would have had to come across a border as there were no "grandfathered" animals in place before these controls came in. One can however get CITES permits to import these fish into Canada and Europe... The difference is that the US is not granting these permits or exemptions.
I am curious as to how CITES looks on captive bred animals imported from countries in which they are not endangered- like Canada, or Jamaica. There are CITES specialists in the local Govt and I will ask over the next couple of weeks; theoretically these fish will fit into similar legal boxes as some of the corals we are breeding so I'll stack the questions.
I'm thinking to try to breed SA Silvers first with initial juveniles to come in over the next couple of weeks... if all the stars line up. If I have any luck will look into spending 5K/fish to try to breed these imported through Montreal or Toronto. May have to look for investors- bring checkbook, sunscreen and a shovel
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no matter how much u try, unless ur like a govt zoo, they will not allow u to own 1 legally. its one of the top protected species. its really not fair that canada & europe is allowed to have them but not USA.
Although u might be able to get them if you get a farm and breed them, but that's another complicated issue
Although u might be able to get them if you get a farm and breed them, but that's another complicated issue
http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/text.shtml#VII
Schedule I, which is pretty strict. There does seem to be flexibility with captive bred animals that might be applied with further argument/pressure for a breeder outside of the native range...
I'll keep you posted. It'll be a long-term/multi-year project so don't hold your breath though
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Schedule I, which is pretty strict. There does seem to be flexibility with captive bred animals that might be applied with further argument/pressure for a breeder outside of the native range...
I'll keep you posted. It'll be a long-term/multi-year project so don't hold your breath though
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I remember back then in 2005, got alot of signatures to petition on cap breed farm asain aros. Didnt even work. Give up. Better of moving to canada
