Help To Bring Asian Aros Back To The US...

[wizzin]

i just cant see the US goverment setting up a whole department just to deal with aro imports

if the wages are so cheap then why not put $2,000 yourself that will pay the wages for 2yrs for 2 men to do the resurch needed

we have to apply for permits hear in the UK diffrent permits depending if the aro is for hobbyists or if the aro is to be sold and displayed in a shop which need an artical 10

i cant see this going anywere to tell the truth its just another shot in the dark

i cant understand why the US wont allow captive bred asian aros into the US all captive bred aros are tagged and are bred solely for the fish trade which has no effect on the wild population anyway

i think your best route is to convince the US gov that its ok to import captive bred aros which are not endangered so shouldnt be cities a1

i know you have stated that this is mainly about helping the wild population of asian aros but the title of this thread implys thats its to asian aros back into the US

so what is this realy all about ?

last response, and I'm not going to answer another one of your questions. You are contributing NOTHING to this thread other than your uneducated nonsense. If you would read a little bit, maybe you wouldn't sound so uninformed

The USFWS is NOT going to start a department for this. Where on earth did you read that? You can't go around making things up and posting them as facts. Permitting the aros will be no different than the other ESA permits the USFWS already issues. It's no additional work!

How do you know what I have or haven't already donated to Conservation International for the arowana fund?

And, yes, the arowanas ARE endangered. Otherwise there wouldn't be CITES protection or ESA protection.

As I said, I'm done responding to you on this thread. You've already essentially destroyed it with your babbling nonsense. I suggest you read up on this more, and contact me via PM or the savethearowana site if you have anything of any use to say.

 

[lancepender]

I hope this works!!

 

[Knowdafish]

The whole "permit" / illegal thing is no different than any other endangered species being raised in captivity. There are reptile breeders and bird breeders all over the U.S. who raise and sell endangered species. The U.S. government is just very slow to respond on issues like this and doesn't really know how to think outside the box!

 

[The TRUST]

The whole "permit" / illegal thing is no different than any other endangered species being raised in captivity. There are reptile breeders and bird breeders all over the U.S. who raise and sell endangered species. The U.S. government is just very slow to respond on issues like this and doesn't really know how to think outside the box!

I agree on that one! Victorian cichlids come to mind too. They are endagered/extinct in the wild yet they are sold freely.

 

[wizzin]

The whole "permit" / illegal thing is no different than any other endangered species being raised in captivity. There are reptile breeders and bird breeders all over the U.S. who raise and sell endangered species. The U.S. government is just very slow to respond on issues like this and doesn't really know how to think outside the box!

I agree on that one! Victorian cichlids come to mind too. They are endagered/extinct in the wild yet they are sold freely.

yes, but not if they are on the US's endangered species list. Any species listed on the united states ESA list falls under the same rules as Scleropages Formosus. Boa for example. You CAN import a boa species listed under CITES, provided you meet all CITES req's. You CANNOT import a boa, captive bred or otherwise if it is listed on the ESA list. Specific example: Puerto Rican boa (Epicrates inornatus) is listed on appendix I of CITES, and is listed as Endangered on the US ESA list. Therefore, even if someone in China was registered with CITES and was captive breeding the snakes, because it is listed on the ESA list, you could not LEGALLY import a captive bred Puerto Rican boa UNLESS it qualified for an ESA permit under these:ESA Guidelines.

If people are breeding endangered reptiles and birds in the US, it's either illegal and they haven't go caught, or they have a permit to do so. If they have a permit, it's surely not for pet purposes. Under the above posted guidelines, essentially, any pet/personal activity with endangered species is prohibited as it's not "consistent" with the purpose of the ESA.

 

[kriztu]

is this really going somewhere? i mean i really hope something comes out of this

 

[wizzin]

is this really going somewhere? i mean i really hope something comes out of this

Right now we're waiting for the final decision from the USFWS.

 

[kriztu]

Right now we're waiting for the final decision from the USFWS.

thats really good to hear. i think its actually good for everyone concerned, even for the asian arowana

 

[D.Pulcher]

Something I find weird is that I was living in England in the Military and they had super reds, purple pandas and all sorts but in the US u can't own one? I think its totally ridiculous. People over there get them chipped and papers. If one dies it is supposed to have its head cut off and sent back to singapore so as to not let any wild caught ones be used with the chip.

 

[8o8apbt]

So is there any updates on this?