Help with id umbee

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I ordered a wild caught un sexed Umbee. Labeled as just Colombian from imperial tropicals. it’s about 4-5 inches. I asked them for the location point or a common name of it other than just Colombian and they said they don’t have the info. So please if you guys can I’d my fish, I believe it’s a male but has the colors of a female. not sure thanks is it a Rio mag ? Or other

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I'm confused?
Umbee is the common name......
The scientific name is Kronoheros (Caquetaia) umbiferrus..
They are common all over Columbia, and some range up into Panama.
Yours is a baby so at this point gender ID is next to impossible.
Males can hit @ 24 inches, females smaller.
They prefer soft, low pH water, with a strong current
You will need a minimum tank size of about 300 gallons if it turns out male.
 
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I'm confused?
Umbee is the common name......
The scientific name is Kronoheros (Caquetaia) umbiferrus..
They are common all over Columbia, and some range up into Panama.
Yours is a baby so at this point gender ID is next to impossible.
Males can hit @ 24 inches, females smaller.
They prefer soft, low pH water, with a strong current
You will need a minimum tank size of about 300 gallons if it turns out male.
When would I be able to tell if male or female ? Oh strong current nice I can hook up the 2 fx6 with the spray bars that thing made serious current in the tank I used to have a 19 male Rio mag before so i know a little about them I was just asking what variant so I can label it correctly
 
When would I be able to tell if male or female ? Oh strong current nice I can hook up the 2 fx6 with the spray bars that thing made serious current in the tank I used to have a 19 male Rio mag before so i know a little about them I was just asking what variant so I can label it correctly
Don't quote me on this yet but to my knowledge all the Rio mag types are just from tributaries of the Rio magdelana itself. Rio yanacue, Rio orteguaza, Rio claro, etc, to my knowledge all drain into the Rio mag. All the same fish. Given I can verify that the connection is true I'd just call them Rio mags. Rio magdelana is in Colombia, and Colombia is the only place where the mag type umbees are found, so if it's long, blue, and labelled as "wild from Colombia", then it's probably a mag type.

Also to my knowledge, there are now 4(?) umbee variants, and a paper is currently in the works splitting them into their own species. The green variety from the isthmus will keep the name umbriferum. The Rio mag type is getting its own species. There is also Kronoheros sp. choco, which looks like a more streamlined version of the green umbee, and is from the area around the border of Venezuela. I don't recall what the consensus on the black Rio atrato type is... Pretty sure I heard those are keeping the name umbriferum as well.

Umbees need high oxygen and a lot of swimming room. I personally will be refraining from getting more umbees until I have what I consider adequate space. They need open, moving, clean water. I would compare their needs to the likes of larger micropterus sp., and will also be using the space recommendations for acre pond bass when setting up umbee tanks in the future.
 
Don't quote me on this yet but to my knowledge all the Rio mag types are just from tributaries of the Rio magdelana itself. Rio yanacue, Rio orteguaza, Rio claro, etc, to my knowledge all drain into the Rio mag. All the same fish. Given I can verify that the connection is true I'd just call them Rio mags. Rio magdelana is in Colombia, and Colombia is the only place where the mag type umbees are found, so if it's long, blue, and labelled as "wild from Colombia", then it's probably a mag type.

Also to my knowledge, there are now 4(?) umbee variants, and a paper is currently in the works splitting them into their own species. The green variety from the isthmus will keep the name umbriferum. The Rio mag type is getting its own species. There is also Kronoheros sp. choco, which looks like a more streamlined version of the green umbee, and is from the area around the border of Venezuela. I don't recall what the consensus on the black Rio atrato type is... Pretty sure I heard those are keeping the name umbriferum as well.

Umbees need high oxygen and a lot of swimming room. I personally will be refraining from getting more umbees until I have what I consider adequate space. They need open, moving, clean water. I would compare their needs to the likes of larger micropterus sp., and will also be using the space recommendations for acre pond bass when setting up umbee tanks in the future.
Wow thank you for the information good stuff also the picture is a screenshot from a video I took not the best but he or she has a ton of speckles in it’s tail and fins blue and green this was taken about 30 mins after putting in tank and the red on the top fin sorry don’t know the fin names lol
 
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Wow thank you for the information good stuff also the picture is a screenshot from a video I took not the best but he or she has a ton of speckles in it’s tail and fins blue and green this was taken about 30 mins after putting in tank and the red on the top fin sorry don’t know the fin names lol
Definitely a rio mag type, and I say male for now. Typically you're able to tell the sex around 5+". Usually a bit later, but some can mature earlier. Rio mag types are weird because the females can have all the same traits as the males, and don't always have the prominent black on the dorsal fin, but from what we're working with right now it looks male to me.
 
Don't quote me on this yet but to my knowledge all the Rio mag types are just from tributaries of the Rio magdelana itself. Rio yanacue, Rio orteguaza, Rio claro, etc, to my knowledge all drain into the Rio mag. All the same fish. Given I can verify that the connection is true I'd just call them Rio mags. Rio magdelana is in Colombia, and Colombia is the only place where the mag type umbees are found, so if it's long, blue, and labelled as "wild from Colombia", then it's probably a mag type.

Also to my knowledge, there are now 4(?) umbee variants, and a paper is currently in the works splitting them into their own species. The green variety from the isthmus will keep the name umbriferum. The Rio mag type is getting its own species. There is also Kronoheros sp. choco, which looks like a more streamlined version of the green umbee, and is from the area around the border of Venezuela. I don't recall what the consensus on the black Rio atrato type is... Pretty sure I heard those are keeping the name umbriferum as well.

Umbees need high oxygen and a lot of swimming room. I personally will be refraining from getting more umbees until I have what I consider adequate space. They need open, moving, clean water. I would compare their needs to the likes of larger micropterus sp., and will also be using the space recommendations for acre pond bass when setting up umbee tanks in the future.
The Rio la Miel have been exported too. The la Miel is a tributary to the Rio Magdalena.
This one had the typical blue freckles but the lower face and chest are bright yellow. They are far less aggressive and stay smaller.
 

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